If Mike didn't go to jail in 1992 what changes in his career?

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  • GhostofDempsey
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    #11
    Originally posted by BKM-
    He ducked Lewis and Holyfield(before prison) in the 90s, these are known facts. Same with George Foreman. I'll give him a pass for prime Bowe because Tyson was busy doing time for raping a beauty queen during Bowe's short run.

    You should really grow out of the Cus crap. Tyson had a limited style and always had a weak mental game. He was never gonna beat Holyfield and Lewis, they had all the goods to beat his one dimensional limited arse.

    Bowe was a beast on the inside and more heart than 5 Tyson's combined, he would never lose to Mike. And old Foreman was the absolute ultimate ******nite to the Tyson style, he would have crushed Mike in the 80s if he didn't duck him and there never would have been a Tyson era.
    Bowe was a dirty fighter and cheap shot artist. Would have lost to Golota twice had it not been for the DQs. He ducked Lewis hard.

    Tyson at his best was a monster. Fast combination puncher with great head movement and ring generalship. At only 5’10” he was beating HWs who were bigger than Bowe.

    Lewis was still hiding out in the amateurs for four more years to avoid prime Tyson who turned pro in ‘85.

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    • BKM-
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      #12
      Originally posted by GhostofDempsey
      Bowe was a dirty fighter and cheap shot artist. Would have lost to Golota twice had it not been for the DQs. He ducked Lewis hard.
      Which has nothing to do with Tyson. Styles make fights. Golota and Lewis have the style and attributes to beat him. Tyson doesn't, he gets smashed by Bowe.

      Tyson at his best was a monster.
      Maybe to defenseless women and fighters coming in to lose, not win. He was a great but one dimensional and beatable fighter.

      Fast combination puncher with great head movement and ring generalship. At only 5’10” he was beating HWs who were bigger than Bowe.
      Tyson beat big heavyweights but never a great big heavyweight. Bruno, Ruddock etc. weren't even close to great.

      Lewis was still hiding out in the amateurs for four more years to avoid prime Tyson who turned pro in ‘85.
      in 96 Tyson literally paid Lewis millions to step aside so he could feast on easy pickings Seldon. He avoided Lewis when he was still a top level fighter himself.

      Maybe if Tyson wasn't a rapist they could have fought sooner but as far as Lewis' amateur career goes, he peaked physically at a later age. His late start also allowed him to have a pro career at the highest level well into his late 30s. According to his fans Tyson's prime lasted what, 3 years?
      Last edited by BKM-; 02-13-2021, 11:48 PM.

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      • ShoulderRoll
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        #13
        We would have had a few more entertaining fights as others have said, but he wouldn't have beat Holyfield regardless.

        The fighting machine that Cus D'Amato created needed to be maintained by Cus or a knowledgeable Cus disciple (not Jay Bright.) Once Mike got away from that lineage the things that made him special were destined to slowly erode away.

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          #14
          Originally posted by ShoulderRoll
          We would have had a few more entertaining fights as others have said, but he wouldn't have beat Holyfield regardless.

          The fighting machine that Cus D'Amato created needed to be maintained by Cus or a knowledgeable Cus disciple (not Jay Bright.) Once Mike got away from that lineage the things that made him special were destined to slowly erode away.
          - -How'd The truth managed to sneak up on U?

          Modern day Miracles for disbeliever!

          Mike at his apex age 21 with all relevant 4 belts at what later turned out to be his disposal.

          Lewie still in his AMA 3rd BigBoy trainers and Field hiding out life and death in the nascent Looserweight division.

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          • thebrownbomber_
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            #15
            Guys he would beat:
            Lewis (very flatfooted)
            Bowe
            Mercer (hypejob)
            Morrison (another hypejob)

            Guys he would lose to:
            Holyfield
            Old Foreman

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            • Willie Pep 229
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              #16
              Originally posted by MartialMind
              By that point Cus had already died and Rooney was gone and he was well under the sway of Don King. So if he didn't get convicted for **** what do those lost years do for his career?
              The most likely scenario is he goes to prispn a year later for raping someone else. The path he was on after Douglas was going to land him in prison eventually probably got lucky it wasn't manslaughter.

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              • Anthony342
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                #17
                Originally posted by BKM-
                He ducked Lewis and Holyfield(before prison) in the 90s, these are known facts. Same with George Foreman. I'll give him a pass for prime Bowe because Tyson was busy doing time for raping a beauty queen during Bowe's short run.

                You should really grow out of the Cus crap. Tyson had a limited style and always had a weak mental game. He was never gonna beat Holyfield and Lewis, they had all the goods to beat his one dimensional limited arse.

                Bowe was a beast on the inside and more heart than 5 Tyson's combined, he would never lose to Mike. And old Foreman was the absolute ultimate ******nite to the Tyson style, he would have crushed Mike in the 80s if he didn't duck him and there never would have been a Tyson era.
                How did Tyson duck Holyfield when he signed to fight him twice? First in 1990 when Holyfield was promised the winner of the Tyson-Douglas fight, but since Douglas beat Tyson, Holyfield fought Tyson for the undisputed title instead, then Tyson signed to fight Holyfield again in 1991 after the Ruddock rematch, but was postponed because of Tyson's **** trial. There was even promotional posters made of the potential 1991 fight. So it's not like both guys didn't want the fight to happen.

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                • The Old LefHook
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                  #18
                  You cannot wolf the yards of salami they say Mike did in prison and remain the same. And remember Cus's great epigram, which can be viewed as a prophecy as well. "However you end up, no matter the excuse or explanation, is what you intended all along."

                  No one could stop Tyson from crashing and burning early. Cus could have delayed it for a few fights all right. True, Tyson beat no great fighters, but no great fighter fought him at his best, either, man, for burka's sake!
                  Last edited by The Old LefHook; 02-15-2021, 04:41 AM.

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                  • MartialMind
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                    #19
                    Originally posted by The Old LefHook
                    You cannot wolf the yards of salami they say Mike did in prison and remain the same. And remember Cus's great epigram, which can be viewed as a prophecy as well. "However you end up, no matter the excuse or explanation, is what you intended all along."

                    No one could stop Tyson from crashing and burning early. Cus could have delayed it for a few fights all right. True, Tyson beat no great fighters, but no great fighter fought him at his best, either, man, for burka's sake!
                    Damn, I'd assume it would have at least been Mike giving the salami.

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                    • The Old LefHook
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                      #20
                      Originally posted by MartialMind
                      Damn, I'd assume it would have at least been Mike giving the salami.

                      They say Mike can suck a porcupine backwards through a garden hose.

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