If Mike didn't go to jail in 1992 what changes in his career?

[The Old LefHook]

Of course, my answer in the post above does not address the question of Mike's sphincter and rectal area. We suspect that aspect would be different as well.

[The Old LefHook]

His rectal diameter is said to have changed mightily.

[ShoulderRoll]

all great champions have an amateur pedigree and the greatest in history want to win an Olympic title so your argument falls flat right there...Tyson was ok knocking cans over but as soon as he stepped up the quality he started to struggle ......tucker , ruddock , bonecrusher , fighters that were physically imposing and could tie him up....he became predictable , limited and unable to adapt.
douglas showed just how to beat Tyson and the bottom line is as soon as Tyson boxed an A+ fighter he lost and that’s a fact and Lewis resume pisses all over tysons and that’s another fact.

Not true. There are many great champions who never won an Olympic title.

[The plunger man]

Not true. There are many great champions who never won an Olympic title.

did Tyson turn pro early because he got beaten in the Olympic qualifiers by Henry Tillman yes or no......mostly all the greats either competed or won in the olympics.
I never meant every single one so your right ....but the greatest in my book all boxed in the olympics and had a Stellar amateur career ....Ali , leonard , Jones , mayweather , Etc.
Tyson only turned pro at that young age because he was knocked out of the USA qualifiers by Henry Tillman
.Then you have the other side of boxing with the , Duran’s , Pacquaio , Chavez etc who had to turn pro to survive and feed themselvs.....those are excluded from my statements as Olympians

[Willie Pep 229]

As far as the MOQ rules go, it also says a man has 10 seconds to return to the scratch. This has been outdated for quite some time. I think, and I may be wrong, that MOQ is a guideline more than an actual set of rules today and either the governing body or state athletic commission set the final rules. Either way I'm on the train that says a fighter has to follow the refs count. I think it's to much to ask any man to know a 10 second count on his own after just getting dropped. Just my opinion though.

As you know the MQB rules uses the term "ten seconds" twice, once where you mention it, but there is earlier mention which states: "If either man falls through weakness or otherwise, he must get up unassisted, 10 seconds to be allowed him to do so," This I believe is the directing order we should work from; it is direct/obvious/modern enough.

Anyway we agree these new 1860s safety rules have become a foundation to be extrapolated from; I also agree, in practice it needs to be a "ten count" which not uncommonly plays out to a touch over 10 seconds.

[Willie Pep 229]

did Tyson turn pro early because he got beaten in the Olympic qualifiers by Henry Tillman yes or no......mostly all the greats either competed or won in the olympics.
I never meant every single one so your right ....but the greatest in my book all boxed in the olympics and had a Stellar amateur career ....Ali , leonard , Jones , mayweather , Etc.
Tyson only turned pro at that young age because he was knocked out of the USA qualifiers by Henry Tillman
.Then you have the other side of boxing with the , Duran’s , Pacquaio , Chavez etc who had to turn pro to survive and feed themselvs.....those are excluded from my statements as Olympians

I am ready to bet blindly that there are many more non-Olympic champions then there are; most recently Lopez who took apart a three time Olympic Champion; men reach their prime at different ages.

P.S. WARNING DIRGRESSION: Jones didn't win the title and didn't deserve it, the decision was payback for an anti-Korean/pro-American decision at Los Angles in 1984. I embrace the American Plains Indian cultural belief: it's OK for me to steal your horse so long as I recognize your right to steal mine. Jones was like that MBL player who has to be the first batter to come up to the plate after your picture has just hit their guy, you're about to be put into the dirt and you just got to take it. In Jones's case, he got beaned! It was payback and the Korean's had a right to it.

[The plunger man]

I am ready to bet blindly that there are many more non-Olympic champions then there are; most recently Lopez who took apart a three time Olympic Champion; men reach their prime at different ages.

P.S. WARNING DIRGRESSION: Jones didn't win the title and didn't deserve it, the decision was payback for an anti-Korean/pro-American decision at Los Angles in 1984. I embrace the American Plains Indian cultural belief: it's OK for me to steal your horse so long as I recognize your right to steal mine. Jones was like that MBL player who has to be the first batter to come up to the plate after your picture has just hit their guy, you're about to be put into the dirt and you just got to take it. In Jones's case, he got beaned! It was payback and the Korean's had a right to it.

well that’s obvious because the pro side happens 7 days a week 365 days of the year.....olympics come around once every 4 years.....maybe I miss quoted saying there were no decent world champions without being an Olympian......the point is the only reason why Tyson turned pro earlier is because he lost to Tillman in the USA trials other wise we probably would have seen him a year later than what we did.......as for Jones that’s not right on Jones.....I know he wasn’t champion but he was blindsided and that’s a win no matter what.
The two best heavyweights in history were Olympic champions and that Ali and Lewis
arguably the greatest welterweight ever Ray leonard was an Olympic champion.
Most especially the modern day boxer has a stellar amateur background and will either compete or win a medal in the olympics ....unless your Cuban

[ShoulderRoll]

I am ready to bet blindly that there are many more non-Olympic champions then there are; most recently Lopez who took apart a three time Olympic Champion; men reach their prime at different ages.

P.S. WARNING DIRGRESSION: Jones didn't win the title and didn't deserve it, the decision was payback for an anti-Korean/pro-American decision at Los Angles in 1984. I embrace the American Plains Indian cultural belief: it's OK for me to steal your horse so long as I recognize your right to steal mine. Jones was like that MBL player who has to be the first batter to come up to the plate after your picture has just hit their guy, you're about to be put into the dirt and you just got to take it. In Jones's case, he got beaned! It was payback and the Korean's had a right to it.

Roy Jones in no way, shape, or form deserved to be screwed out of the gold medal. He whipped that South Korean thoroughly. Wasn't even close.

Two wrongs don't make a right. Or to put it another way,...had Roy stolen a horse then fine, steal his. But he never robbed anyone.

[Willie Pep 229]

Roy Jones in no way, shape, or form deserved to be screwed out of the gold medal. He whipped that South Korean thoroughly. Wasn't even close.

Two wrongs don't make a right. Or to put it another way,...had Roy stolen a horse then fine, steal his. But he never robbed anyone.

Na! He was on the USA team - the first batter up gets thrown at, that's part of being on a team -- no, two wrongs never make a right, but they do make it The Olympics.

The entire Olympic competition, at some level, runs like it's all made up of 'East German judges'

Besides it probably worked out best for Jones - many more cross over fans knew his name after the robbery then would have had he just won the gold. -- Didn't Holyfield benefit in the same paradox way? Something about "raw deal" becoming "real deal" - I don't remember clearly.

[The plunger man]

Roy Jones in no way, shape, or form deserved to be screwed out of the gold medal. He whipped that South Korean thoroughly. Wasn't even close.

Two wrongs don't make a right. Or to put it another way,...had Roy stolen a horse then fine, steal his. But he never robbed anyone.

absolutely shoulder........Roy Jones was robbed and deprived of a medal he worked his whole amateur career to achieve .....so pep saying he deserved to be robbed is totally out of order.
Thats not a world I want to live in when revenge is geared towards an individual who had no part in what happened before.