Johnson - Flynn most complete film of the fight

[QueensburyRules]

No, it only exists in your tiny mind it was solved decades ago!

Muhammad Ali - Henry Cooper I & II : The Left Hook That Almost Changed History - YouTube

- - Got reams of books saying it exists. Tu confuso burro.

[Willie Pep 229]

Boxing ******* sites. Some have been around for going on 20 years now. They have them in countries all over the world. And many people have complete copies of Clay-Cooper 1. It's not a rare fight anymore. It's suprising to find boxing fans who think that it is, actually.

And the story that the glove was replaced during the fight or there was some long delay has been disproven.

You can go on the Youtube page with the fellow who posts all the Ali interviews and there's an interview of Dundee and Ali in the dressing room after the fight and Dundee said they didn't get any extra time. He insists they didn't, in fact. (Around the 1 minute-30 second mark).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUUjcwJIXns

So it's comical the same guy (Dundee) came home and spent years telling this "myth" that the glove was replaced when immediately after the fight in the UK he acknowledges just the opposite.

Na it's not comical it's common.

At that moment in Britain Dundee was caught up in the moment and with Ali sitting mext to him he would have been disrespecting his fighter; it was years later that he became just another old man telling a story.

It makes perfect sense. It's why the American court systems accepts "spontaneous declarations" or "excited utterances" as hearsay exemptions. People tend to tell the truth at the moment of the event, as time moves forward and have time to make something up, they lie.

[QueensburyRules]

Na it's not comical it's common.

At that moment in Britain Dundee was caught up in the moment and with Ali sitting mext to him he would have been disrespecting his fighter; it was years later that he became just another old man telling a story.

It makes perfect sense. It's why the American court systems accepts "spontaneous declarations" or "excited utterances" as hearsay exemptions. People tend to tell the truth at the moment of the event, as time moves forward and have time to make something up, they lie.

- - Got the ref corroborating along with Cooper and a few others. Eyewitness testimony like that in a criminal trail may not be perfect, but enough to convict, and so you on the jury and it's judgement day.

Dundee, Cooper, ref, and a couple other officials testifying there was a delay, the exact time varying because it was not timed officially because it's BOXING, and everyone in boxing or watching boxing understands these guys couldn't run a credible cub scout meeting without flubbing something.

Cooper/Ali 1 is an endemic tape, but none having been certified by a credible videographer as being unspliced.

[Ivich]

- - Got the ref corroborating along with Cooper and a few others. Eyewitness testimony like that in a criminal trail may not be perfect, but enough to convict, and so you on the jury and it's judgement day.

Dundee, Cooper, ref, and a couple other officials testifying there was a delay, the exact time varying because it was not timed officially because it's BOXING, and everyone in boxing or watching boxing understands these guys couldn't run a credible cub scout meeting without flubbing something.

Cooper/Ali 1 is an endemic tape, but none having been certified by a credible videographer as being unspliced.

It was timed on national TV 2 nights later, 6 seconds delay.Is it that hard for you to admit you are wrong that you continually make a fool of yourself with this years ago disproved BS? How very sad you are!

" Write ups later had the officials running back to the dressing room to get another pair,an event that
most said took anywhere from half a minute to 6 minutes.
The time in actuality was but a few seconds."
Angelo Dundee From his autobiography "My View For The Corner".Chapter Five Page 83!

[QueensburyRules]

It was timed on national TV 2 nights later, 6 seconds delay.Is it that hard for you to admit you are wrong that you continually make a fool of yourself with this years ago disproved BS? How very sad you are!

" Write ups later had the officials running back to the dressing room to get another pair,an event that
most said took anywhere from half a minute to 6 minutes.
The time in actuality was but a few seconds."
Angelo Dundee From his autobiography "My View For The Corner".Chapter Five Page 83!

- - Tell it to Dundee, the ref, Cooper, and other officials who made the various claims, not me...duh!

Already mention the alleged Beeb audio...double duh!! All that soft continental cuisine, French wine, and aero flights softening up U moldable clay!

[Dr. Z]

Ivich is missing the action and picture. Just like his clinching hero Jack Johnson. I mean how he holds the smaller man is good stuff!

[Ivich]

- - Tell it to Dundee, the ref, Cooper, and other officials who made the various claims, not me...duh!

Already mention the alleged Beeb audio...double duh!! All that soft continental cuisine, French wine, and aero flights softening up U moldable clay!

Apart from Cooper who was in the worse place to time the event neither the referee Tommy Little, or the other officials ever claimed the delay was more than 6 seconds.
It has been reported that officials went back to the dressing room to get a pair of replacement gloves, but they were unable to find a pair. However, Teddy Waltham, then General Secretary of the British Boxing Board of Control, said that is not true.

"Referee Little was called to Clay's corner, and then shouted to us officials at ringside for a new pair, which I already had quite near," Waltham said. "There was no question of anyone having to go to the dressing room to get them, as has been suggested."


Case closed! You exposed!

[Ivich]

Johnson was not holding predominantly. I posted earlier this year eye witness testimony where the writer accurately points out that Flynn was free to punch at all times. Johnson was catching Flynn’s arms with his open gloves. Fleischer also wrote about Johnson’s ability to parry and block punches on the inside. This is what Johnson’s style was all about. He would have no issue stepping inside against fighters whose game was inside fighting. They could do nothing to him and were beaten to a pulp at the same time. I don’t see any swarmer beating prime Johnson. He shut that style opponent down.

The San Francisco call. [volume] (San Francisco [Calif.]) 1895-1913, July 05, 1912, Page 8, Image 12 « Chronicling America « Library of Congress (loc.gov)

[QueensburyRules]

Apart from Cooper who was in the worse place to time the event neither the referee Tommy Little, or the other officials ever claimed the delay was more than 6 seconds.
It has been reported that officials went back to the dressing room to get a pair of replacement gloves, but they were unable to find a pair. However, Teddy Waltham, then General Secretary of the British Boxing Board of Control, said that is not true.

"Referee Little was called to Clay's corner, and then shouted to us officials at ringside for a new pair, which I already had quite near," Waltham said. "There was no question of anyone having to go to the dressing room to get them, as has been suggested."


Case closed! You exposed!

- - Time to ditch, what, uncountable dozens of Ali bios relating that fight is it now?

I remember when U so smugly used to quote them as the Word of God.

[Willie Pep 229]

Apart from Cooper who was in the worse place to time the event neither the referee Tommy Little, or the other officials ever claimed the delay was more than 6 seconds.
It has been reported that officials went back to the dressing room to get a pair of replacement gloves, but they were unable to find a pair. However, Teddy Waltham, then General Secretary of the British Boxing Board of Control, said that is not true.

"Referee Little was called to Clay's corner, and then shouted to us officials at ringside for a new pair, which I already had quite near," Waltham said. "There was no question of anyone having to go to the dressing room to get them, as has been suggested."


Case closed! You exposed!

Does this imply that Ali's gloves were replaced ? -- that should add on some serious time without having to run to the dressing room.

Remember Ali is almost out on his feet, Dundee first has to go through the whole "sit down, stand up" routine with Ali even before Dundee begins to work on him, and would have noticed the tear in the glove.

I was under the impression they thought the tear small and allowed the fight to continue without replacement.

?????? What is Teddy Waltham suggesting?