The Most Complete Boxer Ever

[Rusty Tromboni]

But but... Loma!

Oh, my dear Padawan, you still have much to learn.

Obi Wan Kenobi had Luke Skywalker.

My Padawan is Billeau ForumStalker.

Robinson never stopped anyone as good as Linares with a body punch. In fact, when he moved up in weight he was stopped by Joey Maxim.

And Lomachenko has never been nearly stopped, let alone dropped, by someone as bad as Artie Levine.

Show me when Loma lost to a Carmen Basilio or Ralph Jones.

Show me when Robinson dismantled someone like Loma did Rigondeaux.

Robinson's best win was Bobo Olsen. A fighter that bad wouldn't even be featured on a card headlined by Loma.

[HOUDINI563]

Loma has 15 total pro fights. Never been tested. Only complete amateurs rate a untested 15 bout pro vs SRR. Learn the sport.

[Rusty Tromboni]

I don't know if Loma can make that claim or not. Perhaps. He is a great looking fighter. Few ever looked better. Someone pointed out Canizales. He was a beautiful mover of the same elite class.

He's a natural Featherweight reigning over the Lightweight division. That's incredible. We haven't seen that since McGovern demolished Erne and Gans.

Kilbane tried moving up and failed.
Pep tried and failed.
Saddler WAS a Lightweight, but never entered the division.
Saldivar didn't try it, either.
Arguello had a lengthy layover at 130.

I guess you could say Canzoneri was a Lightweight like Toney was a Cruiserweight - 126 probably was his natural home; he just didn't stay there long enough.

Loma is a bonafide natural Featherweight and he's taking down guys much bigger than himself.

The dismantling of Rigo is one of the greatest fights ever.

[billeau2]

Oh, my dear Padawan, you still have much to learn.

Obi Wan Kenobi had Luke Skywalker.

My Padawan is Billeau ForumStalker.

Robinson never stopped anyone as good as Linares with a body punch. In fact, when he moved up in weight he was stopped by Joey Maxim.

And Lomachenko has never been nearly stopped, let alone dropped, by someone as bad as Artie Levine.

Show me when Loma lost to a Carmen Basilio or Ralph Jones.

Show me when Robinson dismantled someone like Loma did Rigondeaux.

Robinson's best win was Bobo Olsen. A fighter that bad wouldn't even be featured on a card headlined by Loma.

Consider spending some time reading about the sport... Get some facts down before going into "critique" mode and you won't say such silly things. Take that as advice...

Consider the great Pablo Picasso. Many people did not care for his avent garde Cubist inspired works... Heres the thing: If Pablo so desired, he could paint traditionally any way he wanted... Before he became a rebel he understood the techniques and perspective necesary to paint as a master in the prevailing fashion.

By analogy: You cannot color in the lines my friend...

And you posted to me, nobody is stalking anyone, I stopped responding to you when you owned yourself for all to see. Mission accomplished, my work is done.

[Anthony342]

people don’t always say what they actually mean....and 25 years can actually cloud someone’s judgement the same as it can always cloud what actually happened.
People say things to make t.v ant.....all I know is Duran was actually in no position to challenge Leonard from 1981 to 1988 because as I said he lost all his major fights.......in 1988 leonard offered the fight to hagler and got arum to go speak with him and hagler told arum tell leonard to grow up.
I can see why maybe your pissed off with how leonard beat hagler and you didn’t think maybe it was Fair but hagler took the fight....gave up the 3 rounds for a higher purse and
Tactically tried to box with Leonard .....that’s haglers fault not Leonard’s fella.....and honestly to me leonard was way beyond his prime to and was nowhere near the fighter he was when he beat Hearns in 1981 and it was the same for hagler.....this fight should have happened in 1982 but we know what stopped it

I agree on those points and like I said, Leonard is still a complete fighter with an excellent resume. It's just strange he would say this stuff to hurt his own legacy then. The only thing that ever really bothered me was how long the Hagler fight took, not anything else. Hagler still conceded everything else with ring size and 12 rounds instead of 15, plus made the mistake of fighting conventional, instead of southpaw. Sure, Hagler is right handed, but it's the only time he ever did that. You think maybe he watched Rocky 2 once too many times?

[Rusty Tromboni]

Consider spending some time reading about the sport... Get some facts down before going into "critique" mode and you won't say such silly things. Take that as advice...

Consider the great Pablo Picasso. Many people did not care for his avent garde Cubist inspired works... Heres the thing: If Pablo so desired, he could paint traditionally any way he wanted... Before he became a rebel he understood the techniques and perspective necesary to paint as a master in the prevailing fashion.

By analogy: You cannot color in the lines my friend...

And you posted to me, nobody is stalking anyone, I stopped responding to you when you owned yourself for all to see. Mission accomplished, my work is done.

So you smear your sh.it on your cell wall and now you're an art critic, too?

Oh Padawan, i'm pleased to be your Sensei, but I recognize I truly have my work cut out for me.

[Willie Pep 229]

Consider spending some time reading about the sport... Get some facts down before going into "critique" mode and you won't say such silly things. Take that as advice...

Consider the great Pablo Picasso. Many people did not care for his avent garde Cubist inspired works... Heres the thing: If Pablo so desired, he could paint traditionally any way he wanted... Before he became a rebel he understood the techniques and perspective necesary to paint as a master in the prevailing fashion.

By analogy: You cannot color in the lines my friend...

And you posted to me, nobody is stalking anyone, I stopped responding to you when you owned yourself for all to see. Mission accomplished, my work is done.

I'm not sure I buy that; I found his pre-Cubist work uninspiring.

[Willie Pep 229]

So come October, if Teofimo Lopez schools/overpowers Loma does he, with only 16 fights, become an ATG or does Loma just slide from the list?

[billeau2]

So you smear your sh.it on your cell wall and now you're an art critic, too?

Oh Padawan, i'm pleased to be your Sensei, but I recognize I truly have my work cut out for me.

hey don't shoot the messenger... You outed yourself mt friend... You argued against something, including your usual ad hominem style, and could not even be bothered to find out what the f uck you were talking about...

Your a former teacher, what would you tell a student who did such a thing?

Trolls eventually will out themselves! Elroy's screw up was monumental. He called Ray Corso out. Bad move lol. You exposed yourself... Under constant pressure, crying about being stalked, etc, "the ring was cut off" so to speak and you did what every troll eventually does...

There is a method to my madness. Not that anybody was before, but no one will ever take you seriously until you put some time in and learn what the f uck you are talking about.

[billeau2]

I'm not sure I buy that; I found his pre-Cubist work uninspiring.

Thats beside the point. Whether one liked his work, or not, if you asked him to paint something he could do it in proportion to the canon of the time, and render it intelligently, competently. By contrast? Its like me doing paint splatters on a canvas and calling it art... and never having any understanding of what artists do to create art, the discipline, the observation skills, etc.

Picasso is not a great example...jackson Pollock, or Mondrean... Before these guys did crazy things, they studied conventional art and could paint.