Better resume: Floyd Mayweather Jr or Jack Dempsey?

[Rusty Tromboni]

Tell everyone again Schmeling fought mostly opponents from Germany. And you now try to state you did not challenge the champions end? Mind numbing.

Fu.ck off! That's MY bi.tch.























But I'll let you have her for a night for a bottle of quality Scotch.

[Rusty Tromboni]

Why cannot you grasp the point being made? The world at that time, the status of sports as an institution was not international in nature. It doesn't even matter if Europeans fought Americans, certainly not that Schmelling fought Germans. The whole structure of sports... baseball today is a prime example, Japanese and Spanish players are a regular feature and the way the sport is followed... And sports in general, Football, Soccer, MMA, Boxing. the advent of Las Vegas, after the Cuban Revolution, as an international hub for athletes and entertainers.

In the 1920's the best boxing trainers were in New York City, with certain other cities having exceptional talent and resources... Pittsburgh, San Francisco, Detroit, etc. You certainly had exceptions... Great Northern European fighters, Canadians, etc.

Houdini, just look at the population of the world, there is no way that boxing could have the consistent numbers to be international.

Its not a slight on talent by any means...Certainly not to me. I believe there was much more skills being passed down, a higher standard for making it to the top... But that is a separate issue.

Talk about missing the point.


What does being "global" even mean? What's its value.


Boxing was then the pre-eminent sport amongst White people. Since then, the best talent has been siphoned off to others sports (and activities). So I really don't get what point "glabalization" has to do with this debate.

Even in America, does anyone really believe we'd remember Ali as "The Greatest" if Football hadn't taken off? Can you imagine **** Butkus as a Boxer!? Coming from the same city as McFarland and Ross, the son of immigrant parents, he would have absolutely dominated the Heavyweight division, just like he did as Linebacker. Ali, Frazier, Foreman - we would probably look at them today like we look at the guys Dempsey and Louis categorically repulsed. Rather than fearsome legends, they'd be considered bums; just like we are to believe Louis' opponents were decades before, or the Heavyweight contenders of today.


And I am not really sure about the best gyms being in NYC. Clearly Philadelphia and Pittsburgh far exceeded New York for out-put. But there was far more parity at the time than there has been since then between geographic locations. Again, it had a lot more to do with where your parents came from and what they did. Not which subway stop you lived by.


I know you like to have conversations with yourself, but I just wanted to try and steer you a little closer to reality.

[Rusty Tromboni]

- -Not gonna bother checking boxrec for U slovenlys, but the 20s-30s had much greater populations of heavies than today.

Moan about the talent pool if U must have U pie in the sky, but fax is fax!

today, very many would be Super Middleweights.

But yeah, the sport then attracted the talent that Soccer, Baseball, Football and college sports/olympics attract today. No one considers Mayweather an athlete on par with Messi. Even Robinson wouldn't get that recognition.


No athlete I knew in the Pittsburgh area in the 90's wanted to be a Boxer. No one even THOUGHT about it. You'd have a better chance finding a kid who wanted to go to New Zealand to shear sheep, or join a monastery in Tibet. But every LOVED Boxing, and everyone had a family member who was "an undefeated champion back in the day". Times change.

[Rusty Tromboni]

Ali fought the best from Canada, SA and Europe. Yet you did not mention these bouts. Why?

To somehow infer that the lumbering oaf is somehow superior to prior champions because he fights many different nationalities is BS. Nationality has nothing to do with the quality of opponent.

Ali fought cans. All the good athletes were playing Baseball and Football.

If you think fury's an oaf, you don't think. But hey, that had been established long ago.


Too bad you don't have someone's opinion from decades ago to formulate your opinions about the present.

It's a miracle you're even able to get out of bed in the morning without consulting Nat Fleischer!

[Rusty Tromboni]

For the most part, that's damn fair. I am good about becoming what it is I mean to push against and mostly you've pointed out that's all I've done....well, in my protest or defense anyway that's all I've done.

However, I do struggle to see globalization as a standard rather than a matter-of-fact state of infrastructure and growth.

Am I to pretend Olympians are interdimensional champions whose lureals go beyond life into heaven because the ancients did?

How about their depiction of "world" ?

At a certain point truth is lost. Dempsey, no matter what old standard you use or what feelings you have, simply did not fight the world. He fought white americans. That's the truth. To use some standard from the past to minimize the magnitude of difference in infrastructure between 1920 and 2020 is kinda.....childish, which is a term I hate to use toward you because you're not childish, but, I dunno how else to say it without adding more insult by talking to you like a child so I just tell you direct like.


Boxing simply is bigger. Denying that to preserve the respect of characters seems childish.


Think about what I'm saying, surely I am burying more than my favorite Marciano by saying this. Everyone before the 90s had someone excluded who is not today. Like everyone else here, that's the vast majority of figures I respect the most. I can't do a 90s or newer top ten ATG list, it'd suck, but, I can't likewise claim the 50s had the infrastructure or inclusion of the 90s.

..sucks for Marciano who took on all challengers, all races, all nationals, no problem, not even a story about Marciano maybe might have ducked maybe, nadda, the dude fought anyone put in front of him. It sucks for him they're all Americans because boxing was Ameri-centric at the time. However, just because I like the guy, he fought the world of his time, and there's no evidence he ever shied away from any damn fool does not mean Marciano or even the 1950s as a whole was much of a global fighter or global sport.

World champion, fought 6 times against international opposition. Not much World in that Champion. I can say " but he fought everyone though" or "But that was the world then though" I don't care because that sounds more like an excuse than a negating factor.

If the Khanate had captured the entire Old World, all asia, africa, and europe, and bragged about the global domination of the Khanate would we today say they controlled the planet or they believed they did because they did not know about America? Obviously the latter right? No one pretends the Old World is the Whole World because we found the New World......so why should I pretend like White America, or Mixed Race America, equals all continents man lives on?

Dempsey and Marciano, Ali, everyone, Holmes even, all of them, smaller world, it's not a standard, it's just a fact.

Is there anyone whose cum you won't swallow, Spazzo?

[HOUDINI563]

Being a great athlete and being a great fighter are two different attributes. Most great athletes from other sports would not have the intrinsic toughness to take being punched to the head.

[billeau2]

Talk about missing the point.


What does being "global" even mean? What's its value.


Boxing was then the pre-eminent sport amongst White people. Since then, the best talent has been siphoned off to others sports (and activities). So I really don't get what point "glabalization" has to do with this debate.

Even in America, does anyone really believe we'd remember Ali as "The Greatest" if Football hadn't taken off? Can you imagine **** Butkus as a Boxer!? Coming from the same city as McFarland and Ross, the son of immigrant parents, he would have absolutely dominated the Heavyweight division, just like he did as Linebacker. Ali, Frazier, Foreman - we would probably look at them today like we look at the guys Dempsey and Louis categorically repulsed. Rather than fearsome legends, they'd be considered bums; just like we are to believe Louis' opponents were decades before, or the Heavyweight contenders of today.


And I am not really sure about the best gyms being in NYC. Clearly Philadelphia and Pittsburgh far exceeded New York for out-put. But there was far more parity at the time than there has been since then between geographic locations. Again, it had a lot more to do with where your parents came from and what they did. Not which subway stop you lived by.


I know you like to have conversations with yourself, but I just wanted to try and steer you a little closer to reality.

Reality? **** Butkus? lol. There is no way that Pittsburgh exceeded NY it is impossible as when I was a tot and my old man trying to explain to me "why Joe Dimaggio could not hit a baseball to California." Look at the population numbers alone.

I cannot take you seriously when you post such innanities Rusty... Ridiculous, even Queenie would not try to sell that one.

Also, your not alone on this one... Try to understand globalization. Its not hard and has a lot to do with events after the industrial revolution and on...

[Marchegiano]

Is there anyone whose cum you won't swallow, Spazzo?

You ever heard a dissenting opinion that didn't make you cry like a twelve year old girl in buckle shoes and pigtails who saw her father shoot her pony? Shirley?

[Rusty Tromboni]

Being a great athlete and being a great fighter are two different attributes. Most great athletes from other sports would not have the intrinsic toughness to take being punched to the head.

A lot of professional Football players would.

It's not so easy as to say someone who excels at Football (or any sport) would excel in Boxing. But if you ever played Football at any competitive level and Boxed, you'd know the silliness of your comment regarding toughness and durability.

[Rusty Tromboni]

Reality? **** Butkus? lol. There is no way that Pittsburgh exceeded NY it is impossible as when I was a tot and my old man trying to explain to me "why Joe Dimaggio could not hit a baseball to California." Look at the population numbers alone.

I cannot take you seriously when you post such innanities Rusty... Ridiculous, even Queenie would not try to sell that one.

Also, your not alone on this one... Try to understand globalization. Its not hard and has a lot to do with events after the industrial revolution and on...

Butkus completely changed the game. If you ever Boxed or played Football, you'd recognize the validity of the statement.

NYC certainly spammed the numbers, but Pittsburgh had as high an out-put, in terms of champions. Really, I'd love to know your source.

I don't even know if you know what you're talking about regarding Globalization and its consequence on Boxing. Do you mind restating it clearly? I get the impression this another one of your episodes of rambling in an attempt to be relevant to a conversation that has passed you by.