Who would you favor Louis to Beat

[Ascended]

I understand he COULD beat many fighters, but of those listed who do you think he WOULD beat more often than not?

Louis is smaller and/or slower than most heavyweight champs, doesnt really have noticeably great defensive skills (though I think his head movement and judgement of distance are underrated), and hit the canvas a number of times. Due to all of this, he seems to be rated poorly in h2h analysis.

Thats why I wanted to see how everyone would rate him against a list of heavyweight champion greats using numerical predictions odds, pcts, etc. So I can start to see more precisely how great people think he was; as opposed to just platitude and cliches. No offense intended, just trying to explain why I wanted more exact info.

that dude is crazy no a person cant just beat anybody they have to have the movement and skills to be able to land joe wouldnt cause of being outdated

[Ascended]

[QUOTE=QueensburyRules;n28988986]

Putting Joe chances in %, ie Joe has a 60% chance of beating him.

Fury- 60
W. Klitschko-20
V. Klitschko- 20
Lewis-40
Tyson-zero
Foreman-zero
Frazier-50
Ali-60
Liston-60
Marciano- 50
Charles-70
Tunney- 70
Dempsey- 40

try putting 0 next to fury klits joe ali has no way to land so why is those numbers there u crazy dummy

[HOUDINI563]

[QUOTE=moneytheman;n31325883]

try putting 0 next to fury klits joe ali has no way to land so why is those numbers there u crazy dummy

Explain precisely why Louis could not slip Fury’s or Ali’s jab and step forward with a left hook to their body and or head? Louis was an expert regarding these type of offensive tactics.

Explain precisely why Louis would not counter either fighter with his right cross over their dropped jab? Louis right cross is considered the best in all of boxing history. It’s this punch that caused the ko of Walcott who was a great boxer/mover in their second bout. Right cross over a low left. Both Fury and Ali kept their lefts low and constantly dropped their jabs. Open target at some point.

[Marchegiano]

[QUOTE=HOUDINI563;n31326443]

Explain precisely why Louis could not slip Fury’s or Ali’s jab and step forward with a left hook to their body and or head? Louis was an expert regarding these type of offensive tactics.

Explain precisely why Louis would not counter either fighter with his right cross over their dropped jab? Louis right cross is considered the best in all of boxing history. It’s this punch that caused the ko of Walcott who was a great boxer/mover in their second bout. Right cross over a low left. Both Fury and Ali kept their lefts low and constantly dropped their jabs. Open target at some point.

This is that Youtube education at work for ya.

money is a bit of a ****, but I think by and large he's just under educated.

[Willie Pep 229]

[QUOTE=Marchegiano;n31326448]

This is that Youtube education at work for ya.

money is a bit of a ****, but I think by and large he's just under educated.

Money is just the 'new American.' A product of social media, mainstream media, irreverent humor, a Woke culture, and Donal Trump.

The new way to be speak is in absolutes driven by an affected top down bias based on personal values, where what you believe is always correct and beyond reproach.

They don't listen, only wait to talk, and never learn.

They disrepect anyone who disagrees with them; use insults in place of arguments, and simply repeat themselves until their message is beaten into the social lexicon (to their distorted minds) as 'facts.'

We just suffered a President who tweeted hate message like an angry 7th grade girl and called everyone rude and childish names. Our President for Christ's sake, our Predident!

How can we excpect anyone, anymore to speak and act in a measured, gentleman manner when we are constantly surrounded by constant rude behavior, from the very top down.

We have become a vulgar society (in the literal sense of the word: low class; uneducated) TheMoneyMan is a vulgar man, a product of our current cultural temperament and in this new 'Trump' world, being rude is considered the new definition of being 'strong.' He thinks he's always right, always strong.

It takes effort to act like a gentleman, it is easy to be vulgar, and when we ask people to just be polite they begin to scream their liberty is be denied them (canceled). Politeness is now seen as weak and oppressive.

I don't mean to suggest that Trump is the cause if this, he is only the rash the disease has come out in. But he is the definitive example.

He is the hero of the vulgar and rude. Expect in the near future much more.

[billeau2]

[QUOTE=Marchegiano;n31326448]

This is that Youtube education at work for ya.

money is a bit of a ****, but I think by and large he's just under educated.

It is quite the mandate: " see that bit of a ss juice that slipped into the gutter? educate it! Use common core!

[QueensburyRules]

[QUOTE=Willie Pep 229;n31326616]

Money is just the 'new American.' A product of social media, mainstream media, irreverent humor, a Woke culture, and Donal Trump.

The new way to be speak is in absolutes driven by an affected top down bias based on personal values, where what you believe is always correct and beyond reproach.

They don't listen, only wait to talk, and never learn.

They disrepect anyone who disagrees with them; use insults in place of arguments, and simply repeat themselves until their message is beaten into the social lexicon (to their distorted minds) as 'facts.'

We just suffered a President who tweeted hate message like an angry 7th grade girl and called everyone rude and childish names. Our President for Christ's sake, our Predident!

How can we excpect anyone, anymore to speak and act in a measured, gentleman manner when we are constantly surrounded by constant rude behavior, from t he very top down.

We have become a vulgar society (in the literal sense of the word: low class; uneducated) TheMoneyMan is a vulgar man, a product of our current cultural temperament and in this new 'Trump' world, being rude is considered the new definition of being 'strong.' He thinks he's always right, always strong.

It takes effort to act like a gentleman, it is easy to be vulgar, and when we ask people to just be polite they begin to scream their liberty is be denied them (canceled). Politeness is now seen as weak and oppressive.

I don't mean to suggest that Trump is the cause if this, he is only the rash the disease has come out in. But he is the definitive example.

He is the hero of the vulgar and rude. Expect in the near future much more.

- - Key thing Pep, have to blame the voters who's empty Rep/Dem establishment suits had no answers to Rump clowning them in public. He completely emasculated hyper Rep Teddy Cruz on public TV before turning O'billary into small "hands" running for her Dem Coronation.

See the Epstein Amigos filled out by Rump and Billy Slick, what The Majority of People have become. Nature abhors a vacuum, so now ***** is filling it. World had been pretty much at peace for 20 years until the pre-kick off to the 3rd millennium when Billy Slick in his Wag the Dog moment unleashed The Dogs of War with mass carpet bombing using smart bombs that knocked Serbia back to the stone age.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120885/

It been flowing down hill in reverse now ever since, The New World Order.

[cfang]

Louis beats everyone who came before him. Johnson could give him trouble tho. Hard to see him stopping or out pointing Ali. Liston could be a bad match up for him. Ditto foreman. I’d favour Louis over holmes and Tyson. Also evander. Lewis would be tough. Also the the k bros. I have Louis the second greatest heavy of all time and he’d have a chance against anyone

[Ascended]

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Explain precisely why Louis could not slip Fury’s or Ali’s jab and step forward with a left hook to their body and or head? Louis was an expert regarding these type of offensive tactics.

Explain precisely why Louis would not counter either fighter with his right cross over their dropped jab? Louis right cross is considered the best in all of boxing history. It’s this punch that caused the ko of Walcott who was a great boxer/mover in their second bout. Right cross over a low left. Both Fury and Ali kept their lefts low and constantly dropped their jabs. Open target at some point.

Well cause joe was stiff and slow he never would land have you not seen fury its like obvious and joe cross is rated high vs people who stand there why dont you watch matches instead of asking silly questions that have answers to them already

[Ascended]

Louis beats everyone who came before him. Johnson could give him trouble tho. Hard to see him stopping or out pointing Ali. Liston could be a bad match up for him. Ditto foreman. I’d favour Louis over holmes and Tyson. Also evander. Lewis would be tough. Also the the k bros. I have Louis the second greatest heavy of all time and he’d have a chance against anyone

Well joe wouldnt have a chance against anyone cause he was outdated in movement why troll