Max Schmeling vs Archie Moore

[billeau2]

Hahahaha!

I love you, Kitten!

You read half of my very long post. Realized you got completely creamed and then looked for an escape root.

You're not getting off that easy. You need to learn your place.

So I base my statement on film and DOCUMENTED fact. While you, per usual, simply decide to parrot what (you think) you read. I get it, in New York you've made guys like little Mikey Bloomburg very rich, and clowns like the Cuomos very powerful. But get outside New York, expand your mind. It's different in the real world. You gotta know what you're saying can be substantiated by fact.

More than half Burley's wins were by KO.

He was the ONLY man to stop PRIME Holman Williams (in what might've been their most important fight); one of only 3 total... in hundreds of fights.

He stopped both Hogues.

He gave Bivins an absolute pasting.

While Moore was at least a decade and 30 lbs. short of his best, he was still an elite and experienced fighter entering the Burley fight. No one else had given him that kind of beating.

We see Oakland in full respect of Burley's punch.

Soooo you CAN say he was too passive. You CAN say he was overwhelmed by aggressive fighters. You CAN say he was limited offensively. But you can NOT deny his power. You're trap in a world that tells you everything is black and white. But I've proven there's nuance.

See how it works? That rundown wasn't too hard was it? Even the pine boards, put up more resistance. Just a quick stop to BoxRec, and a visit to YouTube and you're set.

Lol, that does not make one a devistating puncher. Read what people who saw Burley fight said about his methods...the tape also tells us how he operates.

So...Being that you think Burley is so "devistating" a puncher, you must love Moore... He had more KO's than any other fighter, I think he may still hold that record...

Your in over your head Trombone...

[billeau2]

I love the stories. And I love when you talk Boxing. But don't conflate those facts because here's what I hate:

when you join the clowns on this forum and begin perpetuating OTHER peoples' stories about Boxing. I joke to get at your goat, but when you act like ******NYC or Marchanego or Batts, it pisses me off.

Braddock beat the snot out of Schmeling?
When was that? During that stretch when he also KO'd Sullivan, Ali and Lennox Lewis?

If Patterson, Charles and Rocco can stop Moore. And Moxie can maintain a career after peltings from Baer and Louis (which he won). Moore's got a snowballs chance in Hell.

I only give Marciano and Liston a chance at beating Max because of styles. Rocky is stifling. Liston keeps his distance, avoiding traps. But Max is the best talent of the three, so despite any disadvantages he might face, I'm not confident picking those two against him. Everyone else is hopeless.

Ok back up.... I was talking about Max Bauer not schmelling. Lets just get that established.

Rusty... I often pose unpopular opinions here. I have stuck up for you on many occasions. I do not try to agree with any poster to be liked here. I have my opinions is all.

Heres something to consider with Moore. he fought a long time. And there were times when he was better than others but...He could always fight up, just could.

Oh and one more thing about Bauer: His talent is not a debate on my end. give me a Bauer who did not decide after killing a man in the ring, that he would not fight as hard, who was dedicated to his training, and we are talking a different animal entirely.

[Rusty Tromboni]

Lol, that does not make one a devistating puncher. Read what people who saw Burley fight said about his methods...the tape also tells us how he operates.

So...Being that you think Burley is so "devistating" a puncher, you must love Moore... He had more KO's than any other fighter, I think he may still hold that record...

Your in over your head Trombone...

Are you alright? You're sounding a little off lately...

[Rusty Tromboni]

Ok back up.... I was talking about Max Bauer not schmelling. Lets just get that established.

Rusty... I often pose unpopular opinions here. I have stuck up for you on many occasions. I do not try to agree with any poster to be liked here. I have my opinions is all.

Heres something to consider with Moore. he fought a long time. And there were times when he was better than others but...He could always fight up, just could.

Oh and one more thing about Bauer: His talent is not a debate on my end. give me a Bauer who did not decide after killing a man in the ring, that he would not fight as hard, who was dedicated to his training, and we are talking a different animal entirely.

yeah, man, you lost me. You really should get checked out. I don't think you even know what you're talking about anymore.

[Tom Cruise]

or just watch footage of the fighters in question, and properly research their careers.

Post WWII Boxing was almost dead. The fact that Moore could become an elite Hw shows just how dismal things had become.

Yeah the fact an ATG LHW became a HW contender showed how bad the division was

Because that has never happened before or since.

Christ you are a bad poster.

Edit: I take it back that you are a bad poster. You know your ****. But dont understand or agree with your underrating of the post war era.

[billeau2]

yeah, man, you lost me. You really should get checked out. I don't think you even know what you're talking about anymore.

If you don't think I know what i am talking about i must be doing something right... What you mean is wa wa! you disagree with me and it hurts my feelings. Sorry toots don't take it personally.

[cfang]

Scmeling would beat moore but its close and a great match up

[Rusty Tromboni]

If you don't think I know what i am talking about i must be doing something right... What you mean is wa wa! you disagree with me and it hurts my feelings. Sorry toots don't take it personally.

Whatever you need to tell yourself to feel better.

[Rusty Tromboni]

Yeah the fact an ATG LHW became a HW contender showed how bad the division was

Because that has never happened before or since.

Christ you are a bad poster.

Edit: I take it back that you are a bad poster. You know your ****. But dont understand or agree with your underrating of the post war era.

Refer to his record.

Refer to the footage.

Ingemar Johansson was a tremendously talented fighter. He was very driven, too.

But for a guy that limited and inexperienced, hailing from remote Sweden, to rise to become Heavyweight champion (something Moore never came close to doing, despite his lengthy tenure in the division) defines how "bad" things had become.

By the late 60's the Heavyweight division recovers. I really don't know how anyone can miss the reality of the situation.

[Tom Cruise]

Refer to his record.

Refer to the footage.

Ingemar Johansson was a tremendously talented fighter. He was very driven, too.

But for a guy that limited and inexperienced, hailing from remote Sweden, to rise to become Heavyweight champion (something Moore never came close to doing, despite his lengthy tenure in the division) defines how "bad" things had become.

By the late 60's the Heavyweight division recovers. I really don't know how anyone can miss the reality of the situation.

Nationality doesnt have anything to do with it really does it?

Not like the 30s guys you have praising to the hilt look like a million dollars on film. I think they have been underrated over time, but Max Baer, Sharkey, Carnera... none of them looked like elite talents, though they did have some elite attributes.

You say 'refer to the footage' as if that helps your point. Moore was an exceptional fighter, clear for anyone to see. As were many of the post war guys.