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  • travestyny
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    #141
    Originally posted by GhostofDempsey
    Another exhibition fight that was billed as such:

    At the time, Sam had no way of knowing that he would never be able to get Jack Johnson to officially meet him in the ring again. He did however, face him in an exhibition that was arranged to benefit the April 18th San Francisco earthquake survivors. The day after the fight with Johnson, Sam was asked if he’d be willing to appear in an exhibition that coming Saturday night at the Hub Theatre. When he accepted, they asked if there was anyone special he’d like to box, and he told them it didn’t matter but if they could get Jack Johnson he’d be much obliged. And that’s exactly who they lined up.

    The exhibition against Johnson was just one of many that had been arranged for the benefit, and it was reported on the morning of the 28th that based upon advance sales the theatre probably would be unable to accommodate all who wished to attend. The program included twenty-one boxing bouts, two wrestling bouts and six vaudeville acts. All of the bouts were reportedly lively and evoked considerable applause from the crowd. There were no ropes and no ring; the boxers simply exhibited their skills on a theatre stage. The exhibition proceedings were briefly halted while Johnson was presented with a watch and chain, supposedly given by some admirers. A short acceptance speech by Johnson followed. Sam claimed to know the watch wasn’t from anybody but Johnson himself, and that Johnson had staged this little event in an effort to make himself appear popular. This annoyed Sam, who was also angered because he had heard that the day after their fight Johnson had issued a statement saying that he had taken it easy on Sam during their match. Sam claimed that when the first exhibition round began, he made it a point to get Jack into a clinch and let him know it wasn’t going to be an exhibition. This was going to be a real fight. [15] As soon as he broke loose of the clinch, Sam went after Johnson, slinging leather fast and furious. Johnson tried to hold off the onslaught as Sam rushed him across the stage, punching all the while. Quickly realizing Sam was serious, Johnson started to respond in kind. The pair fought from one side of the stage to the other, back to the curtains and forward towards the front of the stage, each determined to knock the other out. Before the round concluded they had knocked over their water buckets, chairs and anything else in their path. The referee became the invisible man.

    Midway through the second round, Sam drove Johnson into the stage scenery, and they clinched as they fell into it. A second later the scenery fell upon them, splitting the canvas where their bodies poked out of it. Pushing the scenery to the floor, the pair emerged to resume fighting as furiously as ever! The crowd was in an uproar at the sight before them. They continued to battle this way into the third round, maneuvering their way around a cluttered floor. At one point they clinched and tried to toss one another. When that failed, they went back to brawling until someone called time, and the so-called “exhibition of the art of boxing” came to an end.
    lol. I can't stop laughing at this. I doubt it's true since these guys aren't having this type of fight for free, but it's pretty funny.

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    • GhostofDempsey
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      #142
      Originally posted by travestyny
      Well I certainly don't know what you are accusing me of ignoring. I'm pretty sure I've addressed nearly everything you've brought up.

      You mentioned the contract for $5000, and I agreed with you.

      You mentioned the NSC offer for 6000 pounds and I showed you that it was in fact for 3000 pounds.

      You mentioned McIntosh. I showed where he said he pulled the plug on the fights.

      You mentioned bouts to take place in France. All I said was show the details.

      You keep claiming that this was not to be a championship fight vs. Jeannette. Can you show me EVEN ONE SOURCE that says as much???

      Here is the final proof that it was. Joe Jeannette's manager talking about it being for the Undisputed Championship of the World.





      That proves you are wrong. And again, this was JOE JEANNETTE'S MANAGER, DAN McKETRICK.

      I'm not sure how you are going to argue with Joe Jeannette's manager, but you're welcome to take a go at it.


      Come on, bruh. If you can't admit you are wrong now.....
      That article is Jeannettes manager declaring Jeannette is already champion as a result of Johnson being retired, which is false. Johnson was still champion. How can you say Johnson offered Jeannette a title shot when Joe’s manager is claiming Jeannette is already the champion? Again, you have not proven me wrong. If anything, it shows they offered Johnson several offers above $20K which were declined by Johnson.
      Last edited by GhostofDempsey; 04-12-2020, 02:37 PM.

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        #143
        Originally posted by GhostofDempsey
        Please don’t rely upon Boxrec as your sole source. It’s the Wikipedia of boxing sources.
        I can't remember where, but I read the same story.

        Apparently Nate Fleischer's father in law was at the fight and told him the same thing. Johnson by one sided beating.

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          #144
          Originally posted by GhostofDempsey
          That article is Jeannettes manager declaring Jeannette is already champion as a result of Johnson being retired, which is false. Johnson was still champion. How can you say Johnson offered Jeannette a title shot when Joe’s manager is claiming Jeannette is already the champion? Again, you have not proven me wrong. If anything, it shows they offered Johnson several offers above $20K which were declined by Johnson.
          No it absolutely is not. It says right there at the top, "Who is to fight for heavyweight title."

          It also says he will be the champion, "BEFORE SEPTEMBER ENDS." The match was to take place at the end of September.

          Also says, "Hoboken Fighter is Confident He Can Win Premier Title."

          Come on, man. You have to stop this.


          You have not presented one source saying this wasn't for the title. I've now presented about four, including an article from Jeannette's manager. If that doesn't convince you, you are just not being honest about this, in which case we shouldn't be discussing anything if you just hate the man so much that you can't admit what I've proven over and over again!
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            #145
            Originally posted by travestyny
            No it absolutely is not. It says right there at the top, "Who is to fight for heavyweight title."

            It also says he will be the champion, "BEFORE SEPTEMBER ENDS." The match was to take place at the end of September.

            Also says, "Hoboken Fighter is Confident He Can Win Premier Title."

            Come on, man. You have to stop this.
            Read the actual article, not the headline. He claims Joe is the world’s champion, he claims Johnson retired.

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              #146
              Originally posted by GhostofDempsey
              Read the actual article, not the headline. He claims Joe is the world’s champion, he claims Johnson retired.
              He is claiming that Joe Jeannette should be considered the champion.

              He also clearly states both in the title and in the body of the article that Joe Jeannette will fight for the title and "Will be the UNDISPUTED champion by the end of September."


              He is clearly saying that he considers Jeannette the champion but acknowledging that Jeannette will have to win it from Johnson in their match for it to be undisputed. Come on, bruh.

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                #147
                These are known as publicity stunts....

                “Immediately upon his forced retirement, I claimed the title for Jeannette”.

                “He accepted the match because he knew the public of this country had accepted Jeannette as the champion”

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                  #148
                  Originally posted by travestyny
                  He is claiming that Joe Jeannette should be considered the champion.

                  He also clearly states both in the title and in the body of the article that Joe Jeannette will fight for the title and "Will be the UNDISPUTED champion by the end of September."


                  He is clearly saying that he considers Jeannette the champion but acknowledging that Jeannette will have to win it from Johnson in their match for it to be undisputed. Come on, bruh.
                  You are re-interpreting his own words. He is goating Johnson into a fight that was never a title fight.

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                    #149
                    Originally posted by GhostofDempsey
                    You are re-interpreting his own words. He is goating Johnson into a fight that was never a title fight.
                    Bruh....the title says that it's for the title.

                    It says it like twice.


                    Then he says he will be undisputed by the end of the fight.


                    It doesn't get more clear than that. Why are you denying this?????


                    Can you show me JUST ONE source that says it was NOT for the title?

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                      #150
                      Originally posted by travestyny
                      Bruh....the title says that it's for the title.

                      It says it like twice.


                      Then he says he will be undisputed by the end of the fight.


                      It doesn't get more clear than that. Why are you denying this?????


                      Can you show me JUST ONE source that says it was NOT for the title?
                      So you believe that a Newark newspaper headline is the sole source of a title fight between Johnson and Jeannette? A fight of this magnitude would have been headline news around the world. Newspapers would print whatever a manager tells them. There were no fact checkers back then, no television or live interviews. Grease a reporters palms and you got a headline. This was a publicity stunt to sell tickets. Hence NY commission stopping the exhibition because it has already been promoted as a title fight prior.

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