Jack Johnson backed out of signed contract to rematch Langford

[travestyny]

You keep posting the same anonymous articles that I have already explained to you why I don’t accept them as prooof. I answered your questions, you just didn’t like the answer.

Anonymous articles?


How is Joe Jeannette's manager anonymous??? Says right here his name is Dan M'Ketrick. Also says the proposed Jeannette fight was to be for the title.

So what's the next excuse since the article is clearly not anonymous?


and NO, you did NOT answer my question. The question is WHAT PROOF DO YOU HAVE THAT THIS WAS NOT TO BE FOR THE TITLE.

I have NOT gotten an answer. You've ducked it at least 5 times if not more now!!!

[travestyny]

By the way, interesting fact. The McMahons who were the promotors for the proposed Jeannette Johnson TITLE MATCH are related to Vince McMahon. Jess McMahon was Vince McMahon's grandfather.

Did you know about these boxing promoters, Marchegiano

[Willie Pep 229]

Just ran across an excerpt (from At the Fights, "Down Great Purple Valleys") where Dan McKetrick along with a partner Dan Morgan are referred to as a couple of "flesh shoppers."

The above newspaper article seems more an open letter to the public than a report. I wonder if he had to pay to get it in, or at least buy a few steak dinners.

T saying that the promoter had Vince McMahon's genes doesn't help the argument that the fight was legit.

P.S. Found another tidbit, McKetrick sued Frank Moran (1916) for $1,500 for 'advance money' for the Johnson-Moran go in Paris, 1914. I have no clue what 'advance money' is, or McKetick's relationship to Moran.

Somehow McKetrick was connected to Moran, and had enough sporting cred to get himself involved with Johnson while in exile.

[Willie Pep 229]

The New Yorker, July 2, 1949 P. 36

Abstract on the article; I couldn't get to the article without a subscription.

In the years just before the First World War, Dan McKetrick dominated Paris boxing. It was McKetrick who brought Jack Johnson into the ring for the first time since Johnson had become a fugitive from justice. Tells about their association. McKetrick arranged a fight between Johnson and Frank Moran. McKetrick, brooding on the possibility that Moran, once he became champion, might cast off McKetrick, suggested when Moran arrived in Paris that they sign a contract. Moran refused to sign any paper. McKetrick in turn vowed that Moran shouldn't get a cent from the proceeds of the fight. McKetrick had the profits of the fight impounded-his share as well as Johnson's and Moran 's. Shortly after this the war broke out and the money which had been deposited i the Bank of France, could never be claimed by McKetrick.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/1949/07/02/the-white-hopes-ii

[Willie Pep 229]

This article says much about Dan McKetrick and his involvement with the Johnson-Moran fight.

https://boxinghalloffame.com/jack-johnson-moran-june-27-1914/

[Willie Pep 229]

Don't know if you guys have seen this already

Dan McKetrick had a long reach. This is from an Australian newspaper. He could get a message out there.



If it is a repeat sorry.

[travestyny]

Just ran across an excerpt (from At the Fights, "Down Great Purple Valleys") where Dan McKetrick along with a partner Dan Morgan are referred to as a couple of "flesh shoppers."

The above newspaper article seems more an open letter to the public than a report. I wonder if he had to pay to get it in, or at least buy a few steak dinners.

T saying that the promoter had Vince McMahon's genes doesn't help the argument that the fight was legit.

P.S. Found another tidbit, McKetrick sued Frank Moran (1916) for $1,500 for 'advance money' for the Johnson-Moran go in Paris, 1914. I have no clue what 'advance money' is, or McKetick's relationship to Moran.

Somehow McKetrick was connected to Moran, and had enough sporting cred to get himself involved with Johnson while in exile.

I don't understand what this or your following posts has to do with the fight not being "legit."

We already know the fight was "legit" because it went to the NY commission and they are the only reason that it was stopped.

Are you saying that McKetrick was a double agent that was really working for Jack Johnson...? And they made up a lie that this fight would be for the title. A lie that even the promoters went along with? This conspiracy theory is getting wilder and wilder.

[travestyny]

Don't know if you guys have seen this already

Dan McKetrick had a long reach. This is from an Australian newspaper. He could get a message out there.



If it is a repeat sorry.

I think you might be confused. We all know that he tried to claim the championship for Joe Jeannette. And of course his attempt would make news in Australia. That's not what we are discussing.


We are discussing whether the proposed fight was to be for the championship.

Is the promoter lying as well?

In the last paragraph there. Words from the promoter.

Lil Artha' acknowledged that Jeanette was his most dangerous foe and announced that he will start real training to prevent the title from slipping away through a chance wallop.

So the promoters were also secret agents for JJohnson?

By the way, I didn't add that the promoters were related to Vince for that to be taken as any kind of advantage. How would that help to prove anything??? I just added that for a fun fact. You guys accuse me of some weird shlt

[Willie Pep 229]

I don't understand what this or your following posts has to do with the fight not being "legit."

We already know the fight was "legit" because it went to the NY commission and they are the only reason that it was stopped.

Are you saying that McKetrick was a double agent that was really working for Jack Johnson...? And they made up a lie that this fight would be for the title. A lie that even the promoters went along with? This conspiracy theory is getting wilder and wilder.

None of this was meant to be an attack on your argument - I went looking for anything I could find on McKetrick an shared it -- that is all.

The Australia news blurp I thought was interesting in that it wasn't just local New York news, but that McKetrick had enough clot to get it to spread across the world.

What conspiracy? -- none of that. Although it turns out, at least for me, a surprise that McKetrick was a serious player in the game and could move from major fighter to major fighter, (and not be loyal to anyone.)

Did you read any of the articles, boy did he screw over Johnson and Moran in France.

And the McMahon thing was only a joke not meant to mean anything. You know as in who would want to point to Vince McMahon or Don King as support for any argument?

[travestyny]

None of this was meant to be an attack on your argument - I went looking for anything I could find on McKetrick an shared it -- that is all.

The Australia news blurp I thought was interesting in that it wasn't just local New York news, but that McKetrick had enough clot to get it to spread across the world.

Nah. They were talking about the heavyweight championship. Johnson had retired (for 2 weeks or something like that before he agreed to fight Jeannette). Multiple papers were talking about Jeannette attempting to claim the title (or McKetrick trying to do so for him, at least). He was apparently the logical next one up. The heavyweight championship was of course international news, especially in Australia were lots of fights were taking place.

What conspiracy? -- none of that. Although it turns out, at least for me, a surprise that McKetrick was a serious player in the game and could move from major fighter to major fighter, (and not be loyal to anyone.)

Did you read any of the articles, boy did he screw over Johnson and Moran in France.

And the McMahon thing was only a joke not meant to mean anything. You know as in who would want to point to Vince McMahon or Don King as support for any argument?

Oh yea, he definitely screwed them over.

Apparently he thought Johnson was "all in," so he really wanted to tie down Moran because he was sure Moran would win it. But when he couldn't, he had the money tied up and the guy that could get it sorted went to war and died. No one got paid.