Jack Johnson backed out of signed contract to rematch Langford

[travestyny]

That's like your CraigsList postings titled "Looking for Love"... unless of course Love to you is dinner at Applebees and a carton of Newports in exchange for road head.

Did you enjoy your ban?

You gotta be ****** muffucca if you can't even stay on a boxing website without mods repeatedly deciding you need a timeout to think about the dumb shlt you just wrote

[travestyny]

It's time to face the facts instead of speculating about a scam perpetuated by Joe Jeannette's manager to somehow help Joe's rival, Jack Johnson (which obviously makes no damn sense).


All these newspapers a part of the scam, huh?


Pensacola Journal --

"Many fight fans believe that ...when the smoke of their coming fight blows away, a new heavyweight champion will stand before the public."

Let's just forget all of these different newspapers and believe that it wasn't for the title....based on zero sources. Zero evidence of such except a theory that exhibition matches are necessarily not for titles.....which was already proven false with evidence.


The only evidence I see of this not to be for the title is someone's imagination. And that is a fact, isn't it? Promoters, managers, fighters, media say it was for the championship.....but nahhhh, because.....

Look how the dialogue as changed from, "Look at your sources! It says it's an exhibition so it's not for a title," to, "Don't look at your sources. It's a scam because I said so!"

So where is this evidence that it wasn't for the title?


If we don't get that proof, I imagine that some of you should start apologizing for carelessly perpetuating lies about Joe Jeannette's manager participating in some kind of scam. Strong accusations without any proof. Let's not distort the truth. Let's embrace it.


Oh, and of course, it also means some of you should apologize for claiming JJohnson drew the color line and refused to fight these guys. Isn't that right?

[Rusty Tromboni]

Did you enjoy your ban?

You gotta be ****** muffucca if you can't even stay on a boxing website without mods repeatedly deciding you need a timeout to think about the dumb shlt you just wrote

Yeah, apparently the entitled class can't take a joke. I'm willing to take the penalty box if it means keeping this place lighthearted and jovial.

How's that double pandemic treating you?

[Rusty Tromboni]

It's time to face the facts instead of speculating about a scam perpetuated by Joe Jeannette's manager to somehow help Joe's rival, Jack Johnson (which obviously makes no damn sense).


All these newspapers a part of the scam, huh?


Pensacola Journal --

Let's just forget all of these different newspapers and believe that it wasn't for the title....based on zero sources. Zero evidence of such except a theory that exhibition matches are necessarily not for titles.....which was already proven false with evidence.


The only evidence I see of this not to be for the title is someone's imagination. And that is a fact, isn't it? Promoters, managers, fighters, media say it was for the championship.....but nahhhh, because.....

Look how the dialogue as changed from, "Look at your sources! It says it's an exhibition so it's not for a title," to, "Don't look at your sources. It's a scam because I said so!"

So where is this evidence that it wasn't for the title?


If we don't get that proof, I imagine that some of you should start apologizing for carelessly perpetuating lies about Joe Jeannette's manager participating in some kind of scam. Strong accusations without any proof. Let's not distort the truth. Let's embrace it.


Oh, and of course, it also means some of you should apologize for claiming JJohnson drew the color line and refused to fight these guys. Isn't that right?

This rachet ***** is full on crazy.

[travestyny]

This rachet ***** is full on crazy.

I know, right? Crazy to deny Jack Johnson accepting and trying to make this fight, then getting blamed for it not happening. Makes no damn sense.

If you have any relevant info to add, do let us know. So far there is no proof that it wasn't for the title. I'm still waiting, however.

[travestyny]

Yeah, apparently the entitled class can't take a joke. I'm willing to take the penalty box if it means keeping this place lighthearted and jovial.

How's that double pandemic treating you?

I think the problem is that you're a joke, but no one thinks you're funny.

[ShoulderRoll]

I know, right? Crazy to deny Jack Johnson accepting and trying to make this fight, then getting blamed for it not happening. Makes no damn sense.

So Jack Johnson actually fought and beat Sam Langford. He actually got in the ring with both Joe Jeannette and Sam McVea multiple times each. And when he was heavyweight champion the newspaper reports show that he agreed to fight all of them again at one time or another.

It also can't be said that he drew the color line when he held the title because he defended the belt against a black man (Battling Jim Johnson.)

So what is the complaint against him again?

[travestyny]

So Jack Johnson actually fought and beat Sam Langford. He actually got in the ring with both Joe Jeannette and Sam McVea multiple times each. And when he was heavyweight champion the newspaper reports show that he agreed to fight all of them again at one time or another.

It also can't be said that he drew the color line when he held the title because he defended the belt against a black man (Battling Jim Johnson.)

So what is the complaint against him again?

I wish I knew, brotha. The most I can get out of anyone about all this hoopla is that he broke a contract for about $5000.

I don't think many would blame him for not getting fleeced.

[GhostofDempsey]

It's time to face the facts instead of speculating about a scam perpetuated by Joe Jeannette's manager to somehow help Joe's rival, Jack Johnson (which obviously makes no damn sense).


All these newspapers a part of the scam, huh?


Pensacola Journal --

Let's just forget all of these different newspapers and believe that it wasn't for the title....based on zero sources. Zero evidence of such except a theory that exhibition matches are necessarily not for titles.....which was already proven false with evidence.


The only evidence I see of this not to be for the title is someone's imagination. And that is a fact, isn't it? Promoters, managers, fighters, media say it was for the championship.....but nahhhh, because.....

Look how the dialogue as changed from, "Look at your sources! It says it's an exhibition so it's not for a title," to, "Don't look at your sources. It's a scam because I said so!"

So where is this evidence that it wasn't for the title?


If we don't get that proof, I imagine that some of you should start apologizing for carelessly perpetuating lies about Joe Jeannette's manager participating in some kind of scam. Strong accusations without any proof. Let's not distort the truth. Let's embrace it.


Oh, and of course, it also means some of you should apologize for claiming JJohnson drew the color line and refused to fight these guys. Isn't that right?

You still going? Thought you were done? All you're doing is posting more obscure articles. You've ignored every single reference I've posted, and you now think you are more qualified than historians and scholars to speak on the subject of whether or not Johnson denied title shots to the black fighters I named. There is more proof out there that he did draw that line, than whatever you have attempted to prove.

So Jack Johnson actually fought and beat Sam Langford. He actually got in the ring with both Joe Jeannette and Sam McVea multiple times each. And when he was heavyweight champion the newspaper reports show that he agreed to fight all of them again at one time or another.

It also can't be said that he drew the color line when he held the title because he defended the belt against a black man (Battling Jim Johnson.)

So what is the complaint against him again?

Stop being obtuse. You know he fought Langford when he was young and 40 pounds lighter. You know that he fought McVea when he had less than 10 fights and was also young. You also know the same to be true of Jeannette. Once they gained experience and size he wanted nothing to do with them. This has been proven ad nauseum. You and Travesty can pretend that it didn't happen, and you can scare up all of the obscure articles you can find that speak of exhibitions or alleged title fights that Jeannette's manager claimed as such, but it didn't happen. Boxing historians and scholars have collectively agreed on this, which I've posted several times now.

My position hasn't changed. Langford was screwed out of his title shot, and he spend the rest of his career chasing another one which he never got. I'm not sure why you are both quick to side with Johnson when there is mounting evidence that he avoided them in favor of smaller white opponents that were easier fights. Johnson himself admits this.

[ShoulderRoll]

Stop being obtuse. You know he fought Langford when he was young and 40 pounds lighter. You know that he fought McVea when he had less than 10 fights and was also young. You also know the same to be true of Jeannette. Once they gained experience and size he wanted nothing to do with them. This has been proven ad nauseum. You and Travesty can pretend that it didn't happen, and you can scare up all of the obscure articles you can find that speak of exhibitions or alleged title fights that Jeannette's manager claimed as such, but it didn't happen. Boxing historians and scholars have collectively agreed on this, which I've posted several times now.

My position hasn't changed. Langford was screwed out of his title shot, and he spend the rest of his career chasing another one which he never got. I'm not sure why you are both quick to side with Johnson when there is mounting evidence that he avoided them in favor of smaller white opponents that were easier fights. Johnson himself admits this.

You say that Jack Johnson wanted nothing to do with them but that has been proven false by travestyny.

He has given evidence that Johnson agreed to fights with them. Fights that on occasion fell through due to circumstances out of his control.