31 yr old Fury vs 31 yr old Ali

[QueensburyRules]

I Just saw this thread browsing and I rarely come here because the reason im about to post. That is Ali wasn't near operating with movement like Fury is now at that age, he took a lot of punishment ,Fury hasn't . Its a bad style to because Tyson is awkward and Ali wouldn't be able to get much direct shots on a big skilled 6'9 guy like that .

Just my two cents its just a real bad match at any time really for Ali that shouldn't take away from who he defeated ,don't get crazy I see how you guys go to the the modern forum or whatever you call it and make no real debate and attack . Ha

- -Ha, you one of the precious few to actually understand the physical and stylistic matchups at that point in their timelines.

Neither Ali or Fury can be written off, and point infact Furys last fight had him on the negative side of what oddsmakers had as an otherwise near even fight.

[REDEEMER]

- -Ha, you one of the precious few to actually understand the physical and stylistic matchups at that point in their timelines.

Neither Ali or Fury can be written off, and point infact Furys last fight had him on the negative side of what oddsmakers had as an otherwise near even fight.

I had a poster on this thread telling me odds mattered but they don’t , that fight showed why. I had another one telling me sarcastically I must be smarter then the oddsmakers but it’s not about being smart it’s looking at the fight not what people in masses think when you follow masses in boxing it’s a sign maybe they don’t know what they are looking at ,so goes boxing history.

[billeau2]

Redeemer, take Rusty with you when you return to your cave, and you will be greened handsomely for said service to aficionados.

Lol great idea.

[billeau2]

Part of it is my fault. I'm too hard on them. But lots of insane shyte is said here and goes unchecked.
They compete to see who can make the most off-base post. And get pissed at me when I provide fact-checking.

You never use facts...You think reality is your own solopcism. Its amusing to a point... That point is past it for me. Heck I might even take Ibad's advice and start to use the ignore button.

[billeau2]

your going to have to re think your decision when Joshua knocks fury out.....hold on with a fantasy fight till fury has actually faced and beaten a good well rounded boxer & puncher who is approaching his prime......if he beats Joshua handily then we can start with fury besting all time greats

There is always a tendency to jump the gun. I do think the Joshua fight is really important to determine things about fury. I think Wilder took more abuse than I thought he would... Wilder was hurt in the first Ortiz fight and we never saw what would have happened if Ortiz was capable of going after him. Well, we saw that when he is in defensive mode Wilder cannot do much. To his credit Fury exposed this blueprint, but it also begs the question of how he will do against a premiere boxer puncher with excellent power.

there are some people who know the sport well, who think Joshua is the man... Lets see Fury in that fight, while both guys are young and fresh. I agree. as far as who wins? At this point I have Fury, but want to watch their next fights carefully.

[billeau2]

I had a poster on this thread telling me odds mattered but they don’t , that fight showed why. I had another one telling me sarcastically I must be smarter then the oddsmakers but it’s not about being smart it’s looking at the fight not what people in masses think when you follow masses in boxing it’s a sign maybe they don’t know what they are looking at ,so goes boxing history.

That poster was Me. Odds do matter. Most times the house odds win, most times when this site does a pol the pol picks the winner. Odds makers are very smart and have good information to go on.

Our specific difference was regarding the weight that Fury put on. I was concerned about it...I did not think Fury would lose the fight because of it, I questioned it because, just like the consensus usually being correct, most times when a fighter comes in heavy it is not a good thing.

I stand by both assertions. Yes, Fury was the exception regarding the weight, and I disagreed with the odds on this one as well, picking Fury. At the end of the day, going with the odds and finding a spread is the way to be right most of the time...Again, not saying one cannot spot a problem... I had Fury on this one as well, but it helps to understand that these are the exception and not the rule. Ditto for a fighter coming in heavy.

[REDEEMER]

That poster was Me. Odds do matter. Most times the house odds win, most times when this site does a pol the pol picks the winner. Odds makers are very smart and have good information to go on.

Our specific difference was regarding the weight that Fury put on. I was concerned about it...I did not think Fury would lose the fight because of it, I questioned it because, just like the consensus usually being correct, most times when a fighter comes in heavy it is not a good thing.

I stand by both assertions. Yes, Fury was the exception regarding the weight, and I disagreed with the odds on this one as well, picking Fury. At the end of the day, going with the odds and finding a spread is the way to be right most of the time...Again, not saying one cannot spot a problem... I had Fury on this one as well, but it helps to understand that these are the exception and not the rule. Ditto for a fighter coming in heavy.

Yea I agree most the times odds are true but Fury was the favorite in the first one and most thought he won so he shouldn’t have been the underdog, there’s no way around that one.

If we went on what you told me is I wasn’t as smart as the insiders therefore their opinions matter more, proven wrong .

Edit : But you should see your fault and not try and make it about me ,use the ignore button but it won’t stop me from posting rationally posts on here from time to time I actually don’t enjoy these posts on here in this section I try and stay away and here’s a perfect example .

[Rusty Tromboni]

You never use facts...You think reality is your own solopcism. Its amusing to a point... That point is past it for me. Heck I might even take Ibad's advice and start to use the ignore button.

I stated the facts and you ignored them, preferring tangential strawman arguments.

I can literally provide more than half a dozen hostorical examples to disprove your assertions, and you'll still retort that I'm only providing "opinion".

You don't think that's a little detached from reality?

[Rusty Tromboni]

Yea I agree most the times odds are true but Fury was the favorite in the first one and most thought he won so he shouldn’t have been the underdog, there’s no way around that one.

If we went on what you told me is I wasn’t as smart as the insiders therefore their opinions matter more, proven wrong .

Edit : But you should see your fault and not try and make it about me ,use the ignore button but it won’t stop me from posting rationally posts on here from time to time I actually don’t enjoy these posts on here in this section I try and stay away and here’s a perfect example .

Billeau is actually a good guy, but he's been playing nice with odd balls like Old Left Hook, and can't separate the two personalities.

[billeau2]

Yea I agree most the times odds are true but Fury was the favorite in the first one and most thought he won so he shouldn’t have been the underdog, there’s no way around that one.

If we went on what you told me is I wasn’t as smart as the insiders therefore their opinions matter more, proven wrong .

Edit : But you should see your fault and not try and make it about me ,use the ignore button but it won’t stop me from posting rationally posts on here from time to time I actually don’t enjoy these posts on here in this section I try and stay away and here’s a perfect example .

It has nothing to do with fault. Certainly people who professionally assess fights and fighters have more experience than you, or me, etc... Your making this personal especially with that comment about the ignore button. where did that come from?

Im sorry you don't enjoy these posts. But really, your not teaching anyone a lesson because you were right about Fury. Good catch! but there is a lot more to prognasticating and analyzing than being right on a detail. Seriously don't take it personally lol.

For those wondering: "Redeemer was correct in pointing out that Fury's weight gain was legit"... I was concerned when I saw him at the weigh in carrying extra weight with shirt on...

You would have more of a claim that I should eat some crow if I changed my pick on the fight. I didn't. And my point stands that there are people who are very smart in the industry who find out and give information to odds makers.