Would Marciano be too small for today's heavyweight division ?

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Size is a martial arts "skill" in & of itself, no
Doubt about it. Size matters! But with a Flyweight and a Nikolay Valuev all sharing the same physiology, there IS a dufus cuttoff where the gains in mass, height and presumed strength and resilience become overtaken by losses in speed, stamina, coordination and explosiveness or "snap". But as the medium height and weight of the adult male edges up, all the boats rise and the dufus line rises with it. This creates an extra wrinkle for heavyweights alone when compating the old timers with the modern models.

Leon & Michael Spinks, Osvaldo Occasio, Chris Byrd, James Toney, Roy Jones Jr., Orlin Norris, Mike Tyson, Jeremy Williams, Herbie Hide, David Haye, Michael Moorer are a few that slipped into the top 10 or 15 in fairly recent times who were smallish or short. Usyk spend allot of his career slim, but he's at the lower end of the perfect size heavyweight.

Explain how I know nothing you crazy person when everything I say is on video that obviously means I know what I'm seeing like your really nuts how about not using ****** follower quotes that make no sense and never have idiot

when everything I say is on video that obviously means I know what I'm seeing like your really nuts how about not using ****** follower quotes that make no sense and never have idiot

Its no post i ever made where i lied saying something thats not true so your calling me a liar which I have seen you and others lie mutiple times

which would mean as your vision is bad that you know it since your vision isn't good so your seeing something that you think is right but its not


Or do you mean not knowing as using ****** quotes/lies pretending to be blind like you and others well no I dont know boxing and never will if thats your meaning of not knowing

people like me who can see we know since 70s-90s are way more advanced and smoother in their movements then 50s-when boxing first started which means are good vision is the only thing that matters

And no i don't think its normal to act blind like you and others or maybe its not a act and you and others really do have bad vision

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Most of the guys who defeated Klitschko were shorter than him one guy was 5’11 ! And Lennox got KO’d by guys 6’1-6’2 if Marciano could beef up to 200 lb he would still be a problem for heavyweights today

Wrong cause wasnt galento from the same era and like 240s and he was trash so why would you say rock would do good if he added weight you need to get glasses the louis era was trash compared to 70s-90s its easy to see this all those dudes were trash

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According to the HBO's initial broadcast, Vitali complained about the arm in German to his trainer Fritz Sdunek who spoke German as his native language. That his arm fist / arm was bothering him as early as round three. Exactly when the injury happened I can't pinpoint it. My guess is before he complained about it bothering him.

As I said before Don King, who controlled Byrd along with other fighters ( Golota, Ruiz, Holyfield, Oquendo and Rahman ) and went through an utterly forgetful " round robin " with each other ( good promoting if your own all 4 contacts and a belt ) which made a re-match difficult during that time. Remember those times? That is the fact. It was until Wlad offered a Byrd a ton of money for his belt that that he accepted and Byrd did this after Don King's game had played out.

Had Byrd offered a re-match with Vitail when he was playing games for years, Vitali surely would have accepted it. No offer was made. Like you said you would go with Vitali.

King help Lewis attain re-matches but did not for Vitali.

The re-match was needed as in the history of the division n one lost their title this way.

The judges were Genaro Rodriguez Dr Ruben M Garcia 89-82 Joachim Jacobsen 88-83 Melvina Lathan 88-83 all for Vitali.

If this were tennis Roger Feder losses on injury withdrawal after he was up 2 sets to none. That is how see the match. A loss with with a big asterisk next to it. Hall of fame members have quit with a lot less of an injury and sooner.

This should explain how I see it and why the re-match never happened.

Good job telling the truth to these crazy people here they need glasses also which is why you have to explain the obvious its easy to see rock or anybody from that era would be destroyed in 70s-90s every one from rocks time looks trash

Also no one ever made hw fighting exactly like rock/louis 2 of the most skilled in 70s-90s that shows it right there the trainers seen those styles as trash as I said

cant go in a gym even wanting to spar like that anybody who tried would be laughed at and destroyed by a way more advanced fighter

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According to the HBO's initial broadcast, Vitali complained about the arm in German to his trainer Fritz Sdunek who spoke German as his native language. That his arm fist / arm was bothering him as early as round three. Exactly when the injury happened I can't pinpoint it. My guess is before he complained about it bothering him.

As I said before Don King, who controlled Byrd along with other fighters ( Golota, Ruiz, Holyfield, Oquendo and Rahman ) and went through an utterly forgetful " round robin " with each other ( good promoting if your own all 4 contacts and a belt ) which made a re-match difficult during that time. Remember those times? That is the fact. It was until Wlad offered a Byrd a ton of money for his belt that that he accepted and Byrd did this after Don King's game had played out.

Had Byrd offered a re-match with Vitail when he was playing games for years, Vitali surely would have accepted it. No offer was made. Like you said you would go with Vitali.

King help Lewis attain re-matches but did not for Vitali.

The re-match was needed as in the history of the division n one lost their title this way.

The judges were Genaro Rodriguez Dr Ruben M Garcia 89-82 Joachim Jacobsen 88-83 Melvina Lathan 88-83 all for Vitali.

If this were tennis Roger Feder losses on injury withdrawal after he was up 2 sets to none. That is how see the match. A loss with with a big asterisk next to it. Hall of fame members have quit with a lot less of an injury and sooner.

This should explain how I see it and why the re-match never happened.

Hard to pinpoint for sure when it happened as he never stopped throwing it.

Byrd was with King the first time he fought Wlad. Why didn't Vitaly throw that money to get his title back, as he promised the fans in Germany. It wasn't because he was still injured because he fought Timo Hoffman a month later. Surely he could have bypassed that fight to make a Byrd rematch happen.

You can look at scores all you want, I prefer to look at the fight and how the fans reacted. I also look at the punch stats that show Vits only landed only 8 more punches over 9 rounds while having every physical advantage. That's less than 1 punch a round difference. Much closer than the scores would indicate. Power punches? Vits landed 33 more over 9 rounds. That's just 3.5 more power punches a round. Again, gi en the advantages Vits had, not a huge difference. Than we can see Byrd backing him up much of the fight.

This isn't tennis. It's not a cut and dry way of scoring. And even if it were based on pun hes landed (compared to points scored) it was still a close fight. So that analogy does not work for me.

So with all due respect, neither you nor anyone else who tries has adequately explained why a rematch never happened. He lost and said he would get his title back, yet he never even tried. He left it up to his bother because Wlad was better suited to beat Byrd, just as Vits was better suited to beat Sanders. Unfortunately boxing isn't a tag team sport.

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Good job telling the truth to these crazy people here they need glasses also which is why you have to explain the obvious its easy to see rock or anybody from that era would be destroyed in 70s-90s every one from rocks time looks trash

Also no one ever made hw fighting exactly like rock/louis 2 of the most skilled in 70s-90s that shows it right there the trainers seen those styles as trash as I said

cant go in a gym even wanting to spar like that anybody who tried would be laughed at and destroyed by a way more advanced fighter

Are you even responding to what he posted, or are you simply agreeing with him because you know that I know that you know nothing about boxing or its history?

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Are you even responding to what he posted, or are you simply agreeing with him because you know that I know that you know nothing about boxing or its history?

I talk on people who are on video the real versions yes I can see good you cant and you know you can't you never have

You talk on the fictions ver you made up in your crazy mind no I dont know about that your right I cant see these good cause its no video of them
but you can see these fictions versions cause your crazy

But the answer to the question is no im not agreeing to what he said cause of words you know like you go off of which doesn't matter

I agree cause I can see the same facts as he told from video from the real version of rock

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I talk on people who are on video the real versions yes I can see good you cant and you know you can't you never have

You talk on the fictions ver you made up in your crazy mind no I dont know about that your right I cant see these good cause its no video of them
but you can see these fictions versions cause your crazy

But the answer to the question is no im not agreeing to what he said cause of words you know like you go off of which doesn't matter

I agree cause I can see the same facts as he told from video from the real version of rock

You're an idiot. He wasn't talking about Rocky. The rest of what you said was gibberish.

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You're an idiot. He wasn't talking about Rocky. The rest of what you said was gibberish.

wasnt talking about rock you said.... as i said crazy person agreeing to facts he can see on video

Cause his fact could mean Frazier who was short but he was way more advanced then the rock/orginal joe era he meant as outdated as rock which we haven't seen become champion since 40s crazy person


Stuff I said is gibberish I'm never offended by ****** stuff you say as your crazy and you know you are

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wasnt talking about rock you said.... as i said crazy person agreeing to facts he can see on video

Cause his fact could mean Frazier who was short but he was way more advanced then the rock/orginal joe era he meant as outdated as rock which we haven't seen become champion since 40s crazy person


Stuff I said is gibberish I'm never offended by ****** stuff you say as your crazy and you know you are

See post 139. The file you attached is not what you responded to. The rest of your gibberish I'll pass on responding g to as it makes no sense as usual.

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- - Nothing posed here is against the law but more representative of reputations. No surprise to see Germans cheering an American winning vs a Soviet Russian as the Ks were seen at the start of their careers before they became BANK in Germany in magnificent stadium fights.

If Lewie wants to cut short his career after Vit by sitting on the WBC for a year until he retires day before he was due to be stripped, hey, perfectly legal to be an A-H and hold the title hostage.

We all know Vit beat him out of his lucrative 5 fight tour he had remaining, and that too is perfectly legal.

Wlad was best positioned in their immediacy to fight for Byrd's WBO title as was explained umpteen time. Byrd made more money fighting in Germany than he did the US as did all the heavies the K's tapped to fight in Germany after they won the Germans over.

Not that it is fact . . . But there is nothing wrong with Lewis realizing after Vitali that it was done, and walked away.

Personally I thought he looked terrible, when compare to the Lewis two years earlier. So he made a smart move. He stopped.

Lewis didn't owe anyone anything.