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Sanders is just a Gassiev that doesn't have to cut weight. They are virtually identical in physical dimensions.
Haye, in his later fights weighed more than Sanders did against Wlad.
He is smaller than any of the current Top 10 in atleast one measurement.
If he was getting into boxing today, his trainers would recommend him cutting to cruiserweight.
Jack Johnson looked in much better shape at 225 against Willard than Corrie ever did in his entire career.Comment
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Check your vision.
Sander clearly taller (at least 1 inch) with longer reach (77-79) and MUCH better handspeed in first rounds.
Look at the arms, expecially shoulderbones.
Murat have Marciano-like short arms and Marciano-like handspeed, with much worse skills and punch (at list compare to division - Marciano was one of the hardest hitting active heaviweight at his time).
By the way, Gassiev in clearly shorter than boxrec claims - more like 188-189.
He have short arms, no real power at heavy, average handspeed, primitive defence (he take to many punches on hands and head that is no-no for small guy) and chronic shoulder problems.
He will be a bum even in modern nearly dead heawiveight.Last edited by MaxT; 08-30-2019, 04:46 PM.Comment
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Yes, Corrie Sanders was average in weight and slightly overveight during most of his carrier.
But, he never, NEVER traim with weights, like almost everybody in modern boxing. He clearly do not use PEDs and PEDs surrogates, like almost everybody today.
Remember: Everybody with no weightlifting expiriense, even thouse who are pretty good in sport like boxing or running easily can put 8-10 killograms of muscle mass (10-12 kg off walking weigth) in few years of weightlifting. With PEDs you may get another 15-20 kg in short time.
The hard truth is that most of this muscle mass will be useles in boxing contest due to different biomechanics and pace of boxing.
Sanders NEVER bothered with weight training. Actualy, he never was good in training at all. So, he will be well bellow 200 lb limit if he become realy lean.
But he was very, very talanted boxer. But only a 3 rounder.Comment
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True.
If Wilder have skils not at McClellan level but somewhat close to Hearns, he will be one of the best heavy ever, even at low weight.
But Wilder skils are pretty bad, he got exposed even by his limited opposition.
I perconaly think that Deontay have one of the best phisique in modern boxing - no unneeded muscle, no extra fat, lean and fast.
His phisique is main reason (other is no qallity opposition) why he goes undefeted whith such limited skills.Comment
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Good point.
Worse effect addition of weight class have only on mimimun weight. To many small weights, to ******* weighting rusles, as result we have few weight classes with VERY few good fighters.
Remember how good was lightheaviweight circa 1973-1983 ? Why? The was not cruiserweight or supermidleweight, so best fighters with fighting weight between 76 and 85-86 kilogramms was forced to fight for only TWO titles.
There was supermidleweights (fighting weight 76-79 kg) like Billy Douglas, Richie Kates, Parlov? Michael Spinks, Jessy Burnette, Mike Rossman, Murray Sutherland, Eddie Gregory
There was natural lightheavy (79-82 kg) like Galindez, Foster, Lopez, Saad, Marvin Jonson, Davis brothers, Jester, Martin.
And there was big guys who was big enoth to be small heavy or cruiser in terms of fighting weight (Conteh, Qawi, Aumada, Scott) or body size (Foster, Vonzel Jonson, Camel).
All in one weightcalss, all fighting each other, improoving.
Today we have 4 good but limited fighters in weak division, and anydody of them will be destroyed by Scott or Lopez, if thouse guys in their prime were around.
As result of 200 lb limits heaviweght no longer requaired speed and footwork of the past. They arte protected from smaler boxers by weight limit.
Imagine what will become with soccer if you set 200 lb weight limits. With no requariment to ran with small forwards players will become bigger, heavier, more robust and game became much slower, agressive and phisical.
In boxing styles heavily affect your ability to move in weight.
If you are a boxer you better fight in your most comfort weight, or even move up (like Eddie Gregory or Roy Jones).
If you are a fighter/browler you better cut as much weight as you can, to be a biggest fish in the pond.
If you agression and punchpower are bread and butter, when you got up in weight you probably become worse, and in the end, a tipical opponent with bad record.
Look at the records of Iran Barkley and Bob Foster.
Bigger opponents tipicaly have harder average punch (not nessesary true in best punch case), better jaw, they are probably stronger in clinches/infighting, so smaller guy will have big problems trying to outfight/outpunch them.
It's expecially true for fighters whoose main advantage is big size for a weight.
Iran Barkley is good exemple of it. His main advantage was size - he was almost lightheavyweight in middle weight, his average puches (even arm punches) was hard fo tipical middle, but he lucks a KO blow against man of simular size.
Bob Foster main advantage was superior heigh and reach, maximizing by his praying mantis style. He probably have hardest jab at light heavy (hard even for full scale heavyweight) and hist best punch was among the best in history of division. But his defence was based on reach advantage? He was wulnerable to left hook of faster or tall fighters and can be manhandled in infighting due to bodystructure.
If you are a boxer, expecially boxer-puncher, you may be very succesfull in higher weight. Opponents become slower, with sloppy skils and footwork, and if you can keep them from infighting/clinches and wild exchanges, you could win.
Limiting factors here are footwork and punch. If cannot outrun bigger guy, or makew him stop and cover with your punch, you are doomed in a longran.
Best examples of thouse who move up in weight with great success are Hearns (against Andries and Hill) and Michael Spincs (againt Holmes and Cooney). Conn and Tunnet was good too.
Duran seriously change his style during his long fighting career.Comment
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If Fury had met up with Ben Davison several years earlier, he would have put Deontay away within 6 rounds.
Wilder is actually pretty skilled. Show me another Heavyweight who's remained that dangerous that deep into a fight.
He's not Harold Johnson, but how did things go for Harold Johnson when he ran into Moore and Pastrano? Did Johnson EVER look as good as Conn? Half of Conn's brilliance was his ability to get away with making mistakes.
How'd Toney and Hopkins fair against Jones?Comment
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