Why is there no fight footage of Harry Greb?

[travestyny]

- -Still got yer grubbies out for a free handout eh?

Yeah, right!!!

Just helping to clear up some of the pathetic excuses you guys like to hide behind. Cheers



By the way, the irony is that YOU are the one begging for reparations, culture vulture!

- -How much reparations I get under the one drop rule?

Anything for a free handout, huh???

[jack p]

Harry Greb Colorized

I wish therewas footage i would colorize it like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mNI404npRE
or like this


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDbKRXHDZgc

[QueensburyRules]

Just helping to clear up some of the pathetic excuses you guys like to hide behind. Cheers



By the way, the irony is that YOU are the one begging for reparations, culture vulture!



Anything for a free handout, huh???

- -Pay me what you owe me teensie.

Simples

[QueensburyRules]

Fantastic post. fantastic and great example with Quarry.

- -George never stated that he ducked Quarry that I ever read about, but he did always rank him highly, #2 in his all time heavy list behind Joe Louis back when.

Bit odd, but then again George always been a one off fighter and thinker.

[billeau2]

- -George never stated that he ducked Quarry that I ever read about, but he did always rank him highly, #2 in his all time heavy list behind Joe Louis back when.

Bit odd, but then again George always been a one off fighter and thinker.

He definitely is unique and occasionally spits some wisdom. My favorite of his exhortations was when he was talking up oscar de la hoya against Fernando Vargas and went into this whole thing about how just because De la Hoya is rich does not make him soft. It was quite comical.

[travestyny]

- -Pay me what you owe me teensie.

Simples

I owed you the truth about Dempsey. But I don't think you liked it, teensie

I bet you cried yourself to sleep last night.

Simples

[QueensburyRules]

I owed you the truth about Dempsey. But I don't think you liked it, teensie

I bet you cried yourself to sleep last night.

Simples

- -You banned me from yer Dempsey thread, and then cried for me to comeback.

I like Harry a bunch, but funny how he never has his own thread. Just sayin!

[travestyny]

- -You banned me from yer Dempsey thread, and then cried for me to comeback.

I like Harry a bunch, but funny how he never has his own thread. Just sayin!

LMAO. Stop being dramatic. I banned you from my thread (after being advised to do so by the forum moderator. I guess you forgot that part) because you did the same thing you're doing here. Begging for reparations and hurling insults because the truth hurt your soul instead of discussing the topic with facts. But we both know that this is what you do when you realize that the truth is not on your side.

And not even sure why you would be so desperate as to bring that up when you know the exact same damn thing that happened here happened there. You were outgunned with facts and began crying. Rinse and repeat with you.

Let me give you a hint. Posts that consist of only insults and nothing about the topic just exposes how hurt you are because the truth has been exposed.

Now if you'd like to prove me wrong by discussing this further about Dempsey blatantly and obviously ducking Wills, be my guest. We both know it's not going to go well for you. And that's precisely why you're mad.

[Rusty Tromboni]

I own Klompton's Greb book. He did a great job researching the material. However, it was written from a very biased perspective (as most boxing bios are), and it is a lot easier to write a book that credits or discredits a fighter a century later. It's a great piece of boxing history and a lot of effort went into the book. I haven't finished reading yet, as I have several unread and half-read books to read my way through this summer.

From what I have read, Greb and Dempsey sparred a few times and Greb got the better of it, but there are no first person accounts to confirm this. There is an old Ring magazine that published Greb's quotes to reporters "In a regular fight, after a few rounds, Jack would kill me". Now whether or not Harry was just being a good sportsman, who knows? But honestly, what was the upside for Dempsey to fight a MW? He was already wealthy enough fighting men his own size. Lets not forget, Dempsey was not a fan favorite until he actually lost to Tunney in their first fight. Beating up a MW would not have won over any fans and probably wasn't any more lucrative.

As to the Dempsey/Wills fight, that has been argued ad nauseum here, and no one will ever change their perspective on this one, if you sided with Dempsey or Wills, you won't change sides because of arguments that cannot be substantiated 90 - 100 years later.

This is a very sobering post. It provides the healthiest perspective we can have.

As you and Klompton have mentioned, fighting Greb was a lose-lose for Dempsey. Beyond that, it's really hard to say how much Dempsey feared losing to Greb, even if strong arguments can be made for Greb.* I just don't put too much into reports from sparring.**

* It's really hard to know how much Dempsey could have feared Greb: Greb was clearly better than Brennan and Gibbons: even if only slightly; even if styles make fights. Dempsey liked guys he could hit. He lacked the skills to cut off the ring and force a slicker, quicker fighter into a corner. But he always won.
Again, there's parallel in nature: Badgers and their kin often chase larger predators off their prey. That doesn't stop them from becoming prey, too. My buddy once sent me a video of a house cat chasing a Fisher off its property. Probably the same Fisher that had killed his neighbor's German Shepherd a year or two before.

** Too many times training wrestling or Boxing with someone much better than myself I have come out on top. But I still knew my limit, and so did everyone else. There's so many reasons why a sparring session might go a certain way. And it doesn't have to be that one guy took it easy, while the other guy went all out. A lot of times you bring in a guy to work your weakness. Training can be very demanding: a guy might be exhausted, broken down mentally, unfocused, or just caught off guard.

I bet those sparring sessions were war and might even yield more insight into what Greb and Dempsey were capable of doing than any fights would - neither man ever fought anyone as good as the other, save Tunney. I just don't expect a real fight between Greb and Dempsey to play out exactly as their sparring sessions went.

[Rusty Tromboni]

Dempsey agreed to fight Wills on multiple occasions. On each occasion it was promoters and managers who dropped the ball, not Dempsey. The money wasn’t there. Dempsey has contracts ready to be signed and delivered but they couldn’t get the money right.

This is typical of posters who exist for the sole purpose of hi******* threads by derailing them with this sort of nonsense argument. An argument that never ends and one that is revisited frequently with OCD level obsession. Wills was big, slow, and made for Dempsey. Sharkey made easy work of him and he was KO’d by a marginal Italian HW who was nowhere near Demosey’s league.

Yeah, this sums it up. There's strong evidence that Dempsey's management didn't want the fight. And I can imagine WIlls was a bigger threat than some others Dempsey fought. Even if he was there to be hit, he was still: the biggest, most experienced at Heavyweight, and best clincher. But really, it's not like clear examples of dodging and championship manipulation which we have seen.

Does anyone believe Holmes and Spinks were the best Heavyweights of '85? We all know that Holmes, while a great fighter and true champion, had done everything possible to hold onto that belt and perfect that record, at the expense of allowing the better contenders their deserved shot. He doesn't get the same scrutiny Dempsey does.