Most Overrated Fighters of All-Time

[Rusty Tromboni]

Best fighter on film alright Keep lying to yourself you Clown ass loser acting like LomaCabdrivers will reach a Floyd Mayweather level of eliteness. Hype job will get exposed even more by Mikey, Tank, & even by Pacquiao if they ever fight

That 'leprechaun' in my picture has kept boxing alive + relevant unlike LomaDishwasher and SAUL ALVAREZ has never been dropped by bums like Linares

Like I said, you have no place here.

You need a new hobby. Have you ever considered mixing bleach and ammonia?

[joseph5620]

Jack's as naturally gifted a heavyweight as we have seen. Really, he's amongst the most talented fighters we've seen at any weight, period. He fought in an era when many fighters were still crude and there was a dearth of meaningful Heavyweight challengers.

It's pretty obvious that he would have benefited from the coddeling guys like Ali and Holyfield enjoyed, along with the superior "medicine".


I really don't see how anyone can dispute that. Forget bulking him up 25 pounds, and giving him a lengthy amateur career and a padded career on track to his first title fight. That would all help, but you don't need to go that far:
Just let Dempsey have one (long) training camp w/ a master like Gil Clancy, and you'd have a man who'd be ready for more "modern" opponents.

That's not opinion that's fact. LaMotta and Qawi, much, much lesser men than Dempsey, enjoyed very successful careers with a few skills that Jack could easily adapt.

I'm not saying he becomes Eder Jofre or Harold Johnson, but he could very quickly make adaptations to his game to compete in latter generations, and succeed.

Creating a new Jack Dempsey for the modern era is a fantasy. That Jack Dempsey doesn't exist. So again, that's your own personal opinion based on a fantasy. The Jack Dempsey that did exist is the only person that can be used in anything based on facts.

Again, nothing you said is factual. It's actually nonsense and confirms what I said before about Dempsey being overrated.

[Rusty Tromboni]

Creating a new Jack Dempsey for the modern era is a fantasy. That Jack Dempsey doesn't exist. So again, that's your own personal opinion based on a fantasy. The Jack Dempsey that did exist is the only person that can be used in anything based on facts.

Again, nothing you said is factual. It's actually nonsense and confirms what I said before about Dempsey being overrated.

It's false that fighters improve? It's false that fighters adapt? It's fantasy that if Jack came of age in a later era, he'd have more sound fundamental Boxing skills?


Ali came of age post-Tunney and post-Pep. Aside from hitting like a bytch, he also lacked exceptional Boxing skills. He was faster than his opponents. His was bigger than his opponents. He had better stamina than his opponents. But for a guy who had his hand held through life, fed from a silver spoon. He was pretty limited.
Do you think he would have surfaced as a champion if he had come of age in Dempsey's era? Not only would he lack a punch, he'd also lack Angelo Dundee, modern "medicine", and the stepping stones that were the careers of men like Benny Leonard, Gene Tunney, Willie Pep, and Joe Walcott. The Ali we did get was a pretty good fighter for a Heavyeight. Far from perfect, but thanks to things other than natural talent, a better fighter than Jack Dempsey of 1919.

Same with Tyson... look at what an improvement he was over Patterson. Some of it was that he probably possessed more natural skill and killer instinct. But he was also a headcase, while Patterson, despite being the consummate gentleman, was a very game fighter. Basically, we saw Cus D'Amato's rough draft and final drafts. It wasn't the fighter that changed, it was the circumstances.

You really think Dempsey wouldn't improve from a Cus D'Amato training camp, and a healthy cycle of anabolic steroids and TRT?

Please, explain to me how that's fantasy.

[joseph5620]

It's false that fighters improve? It's false that fighters adapt? It's fantasy that if Jack came of age in a later era, he'd have more sound fundamental Boxing skills?


Ali came of age post-Tunney and post-Pep. Aside from hitting like a bytch, he also lacked exceptional Boxing skills. He was faster than his opponents. His was bigger than his opponents. He had better stamina than his opponents. But for a guy who had his hand held through life, fed from a silver spoon. He was pretty limited.
Do you think he would have surfaced as a champion if he had come of age in Dempsey's era? Not only would he lack a punch, he'd also lack Angelo Dundee, modern "medicine", and the stepping stones that were the careers of men like Benny Leonard, Gene Tunney, Willie Pep, and Joe Walcott. The Ali we did get was a pretty good fighter for a Heavyeight. Far from perfect, but thanks to things other than natural talent, a better fighter than Jack Dempsey of 1919.

Same with Tyson... look at what an improvement he was over Patterson. Some of it was that he probably possessed more natural skill and killer instinct. But he was also a headcase, while Patterson, despite being the consummate gentleman, was a very game fighter. Basically, we saw Cus D'Amato's rough draft and final drafts. It wasn't the fighter that changed, it was the circumstances.

You really think Dempsey wouldn't improve from a Cus D'Amato training camp, and a healthy cycle of anabolic steroids and TRT?

Please, explain to me how that's fantasy.

You're wasting your time responding with a long post of nothing. I'm not even reading them anymore. You are clearly a clown with an agenda. You're basically taking to yourself.

[Rusty Tromboni]

You're wasting your time responding with a long post of nothing. I'm not even reading them anymore. You are clearly a clown with an agenda. You're basically taking to yourself.

Surrender accepted.

[The Old LefHook]

When churls collide!

[Ben Bolt]

If there is such a thing as an overrated fighter, I must come up with something better myself.

Though, I never has. They were there, risking their health and life between the ropes. For my entertainment, when I stood at the grandstand. Protected.

But I do have overrated my own achievements in life at times.
It took me a while to realize it. Growing old, it's called. So, who am I to judge :-)

[QueensburyRules]

If there is such a thing as an overrated fighter, I must come up with something better myself.

Though, I never has. They were there, risking their health and life between the ropes. For my entertainment, when I stood at the grandstand. Protected.

But I do have overrated my own achievements in life at times.
It took me a while to realize it. Growing old, it's called. So, who am I to judge :-)

- -Perhaps you have some wisdom to impart.

As for myself, boxing was never about the grandstand, but rather about tens of thousands of hand to hand fights over these millennia that define business, politics, sports and personal relationships today.

Mind you, I refused to fight my friends unless they made me which was seldom, but I coulda been more than a contenda had I taken up boxing, not to mention punch drunk from the typical training and oversight.

That's why I greatly admire the Haglers and Dempseys who came up harder than I can even imagine and persevered as examples for future gens.

[Ben Bolt]

I coulda been more than a contenda had I taken up boxing

It's a good thing, you didn't.
Matthew Saad Muhammad: "Boxing is no good for anybody."
It's a huge gamble for those taking part ...

I appreciate your reply.

[DeeMoney]

There are too many differing perspectives to say one single fighter is the most overrated.

If you are a pretentious wanna-be know-it-all type: then you probably overrate some turn of the century fighter who went about 95-40, but he took 1 out of 4 against a couple greats so you cite that. Plus people were better back then because life made them tougher.

If you are someone who ignores history and thinks everything before 1980 was the stone ages and all the same: then you probably overrate some modern champ and struggle to contextualize differences of eras.

If you are very prideful of race/nationality: then you probably overrate someone from a similar background as yours.

If you are a casual boxing fan and more of a general sports fan: then you probably over rate those who get the most media exposure.

Without a standard base rating its hard to say who is the most overrated. Two people could think the exact same about a boxer's ability, one could think him overrated the other underrated, without an initial standardized starting point its hard to say.