Most Overrated Fighters of All-Time

[Mexican_Puppet]

YOu wouldn't know the truth if it came and womped you as hard as a Houdini starched shirt!

There are conspiracies...It took me many years to realize that and come more down on the side of Shoulder Roll for example, but old pugs in gyms are not exactly the planning types.

Sweet Pea was really good and showed that a really good boxer could be a problem for Chavez. Duran did not get outclassed by leonard the same way...though that second fight ending was a shame.

Truth is I couldn't even tell you why entirely...just think he was overrated compared to other great Messican fighters. Sanchez was so much better, could do more things in the ring.

St.upid

Chávez was fighting in his 5th division

15 pounds up of his first natural división (130)

He was out of prime and his best weight was 140

He beat easily a great slick boxer like Camacho , K.Od and ruines Taylor, beat Lockridge that schooled Wilfredo Gómez before that fight.

And the fight against Pernell was too dirty and awkward

[Mexican_Puppet]

Pains me a great deal to say this, but in Mexico we grossly overrate Julio César Chávez.

Besides him, it's gotta be Pipino Cuevas. Nice career, but quite probably the worst boxer ever to be inducted into the Hall Of Fame.

You are fu.cking ******

Pipino left hook was perfect

[HandsofIron]

Muhammad Ali is definitely one of the most overrated in boxing history.

Ali had some questionable, decision victories awarded to him (Norton fights) and he had biased referees in all his big matches that completely favored him over his opponents - he was allowed to bear hug his opponents to death without any warnings, penalties, docked points, nothing! The guy practically started the whole excessive clinching/holding that plagues the fight game to this day.

Ali was also the progenitor of the boring, safety-first style or what today's pundits call "stick and move" which is bs since it's just running in disguise.

[them_apples]

- -Salvador Sanchez-

Better career and title record than SRLeonard and all accomplished by age 23.

And like the very greatest of heroes, he died tragically.

R.I.P...

Yeah, his career ended so soon and he was technically still green. He was brilliant though. The best mexican fighter in my book. Chavez was good but he just beat guys he was supposed to beat. Chavez never had a career defining fight that puts him in the pages of greatness.

Sanchez has a resume with a lot of very high quality wins. The guys he destroyed easily went on to be great fighters or top contenders. He did all this just outside of being a teenager. I honestly think he would have beat Arguello at 126.

The fact that he knocked out Azumah Nelson (I get it Nelson was green) but nobody knew who the FK Nelson was including Sanchez. He went in that fight looking half asleep and still never for a second made it seem like he was gonna lose it. Nobody is gonna argue that Nelson didn't put up one hell of a fight either.

[billeau2]

St.upid

Chávez was fighting in his 5th division

15 pounds up of his first natural división (130)

He was out of prime and his best weight was 140

He beat easily a great slick boxer like Camacho , K.Od and ruines Taylor, beat Lockridge that schooled Wilfredo Gómez before that fight.

And the fight against Pernell was too dirty and awkward

Well there is no need to call people ****** who explain their reasons, there are legitimate disagreements. I will tell you this. At the end of the day judges judge, punchstat minions punch buttons and claim "this punch that is quicker than the eye landed" etc. In the old days no fighter complained if there was a split decision, a tie... So to me looking at a fighter's record and such as mentioned above is somewhat conditional.

When a great fighter loses, its also not really such a big deal...and when it happens a few times then it is. But when two great fighters meet and one is outclassed by the other, to me it means a lot. And while that is not the only reason I think Chavez was overrated, its a big factor, that and I never saw the variety that many Mexican fighters considered "great" brought to the craft.

[billeau2]

Yeah, his career ended so soon and he was technically still green. He was brilliant though. The best mexican fighter in my book. Chavez was good but he just beat guys he was supposed to beat. Chavez never had a career defining fight that puts him in the pages of greatness.

Sanchez has a resume with a lot of very high quality wins. The guys he destroyed easily went on to be great fighters or top contenders. He did all this just outside of being a teenager. I honestly think he would have beat Arguello at 126.

The fact that he knocked out Azumah Nelson (I get it Nelson was green) but nobody knew who the FK Nelson was including Sanchez. He went in that fight looking half asleep and still never for a second made it seem like he was gonna lose it. Nobody is gonna argue that Nelson didn't put up one hell of a fight either.

Exactly how I feel about Chavez.

[Rusty Tromboni]

James Toney

nice choice.

people talk about him being an ATG like they talk about Bon Jovi being a great "rock" band.

[Rusty Tromboni]

This I actually agree with. I don't understand where Charles has an "overated" resume. To me his resume is underated. It's stacked to the brim with dangerous fights. Tunneys resume is not to be compared imo.

Holyfield and Pacquiao have great resumes, too. Emile Griffith,Jimmy McLarnin, Mickey Walker, Tommy Loughran, if you prefer guys filmed in black and white.

I am not used to seeing any of them included in P4P top 10s. Some people consider Charles a lock for top 5. That's ridiculous.


Tunney probably did paved his career very wisely. By no means was he a Mayweather, or Jones or Hopkins. He was clearly not THAT bad. But there are things that stand-out: no rematch for Loughran, fighting Gibbons in the twilight of his career. There may be more, but that's not really the point.

The point is, even if it's only 20 rounds of less than stellar quality footage, we see a man better skilled than Charles.

Charles had a much longer career, more laden with familiar names. But that doesn't really mean much if you can't present the film evidence to verify Charles was actually better.

I'll also add that being the first man to actually prove Greb and Dempsey's superior outshines anything Charles accomplished.

[Rusty Tromboni]

Chavez was a great fighter and arguably the most accomplished to ever come out of Mexico. I don't think he's overrated at all.

Is he actually more accomplished than Canto?


Olivares was a two division champion.


Based on film: Sanchez, Olivares, Canto/chavez (depending on the day). Ifyou're cheeky and include Napoles, he's as good as Sanchez,


Mexico is welcome to celebrate whomever they want, but I do think there have been greater heroes.

[Rusty Tromboni]

St.upid

Chávez was fighting in his 5th division

15 pounds up of his first natural división (130)

He was out of prime and his best weight was 140

He beat easily a great slick boxer like Camacho , K.Od and ruines Taylor, beat Lockridge that schooled Wilfredo Gómez before that fight.

And the fight against Pernell was too dirty and awkward

Yeah, Whitaker would have waited until Chavez was using a walker, it he could have.

The fact that he wouldn't fight Chavez when they were both Lightweights was a victory for Chavez in itself.