Most Overrated Fighters of All-Time

[Rusty Tromboni]

Well there is no need to call people ****** who explain their reasons, there are legitimate disagreements. I will tell you this. At the end of the day judges judge, punchstat minions punch buttons and claim "this punch that is quicker than the eye landed" etc. In the old days no fighter complained if there was a split decision, a tie... So to me looking at a fighter's record and such as mentioned above is somewhat conditional.

When a great fighter loses, its also not really such a big deal...and when it happens a few times then it is. But when two great fighters meet and one is outclassed by the other, to me it means a lot. And while that is not the only reason I think Chavez was overrated, its a big factor, that and I never saw the variety that many Mexican fighters considered "great" brought to the craft.

that's well said. but even as a huge Whitaker fan, I don't get too upset about that terrible decision. Whitaker could have fought Chavez earlier, but dodged him.

[ShoulderRoll]

Is he actually more accomplished than Canto?


Olivares was a two division champion.

Chavez was a champion in three divisions.

He holds the all-time record for most wins in title fights and for most total successful defenses of world titles.

[Rusty Tromboni]

Chavez was a champion in three divisions.

He holds the all-time record for most wins in title fights and for most total successful defenses of world titles.

you're seriously giving a guy the same credit for holding belts in Jnior Weight divisions as a guy who won unified championships in 2 of the original 8?

Winning the Bantamweight and Featherweight championships is pretty impressive for any man from any country. Way more impressive than defending titles in the Junoior Welterweifht division.

[ShoulderRoll]

you're seriously giving a guy the same credit for holding belts in Jnior Weight divisions as a guy who won unified championships in 2 of the original 8?

Winning the Bantamweight and Featherweight championships is pretty impressive for any man from any country. Way more impressive than defending titles in the Junoior Welterweifht division.

That's your opinion. What is more or less impressive would depend on the context of who they fought, when, and the nature of the wins/losses.

In any case it's certainly not out of bounds to consider Chavez the best to ever come out of Mexico. Regardless of your personal feelings about him.

[Japanese Boxing]

Floyd Mayweather and Muhammad Ali.... Mayweather due to when he fought guys, but he is impressive. Ali because of his impact outside of the ring. Both are greats, some of the best at their weightclasses all time. But still overrated.

[mikehdaddy]

Igive you the benefit of the doubt about Ali & fixed fights because anyone that has been
BUT.....I don't believe that bs for a minute about rds where he supposedly didn't even land a punch. I can surely count on 1 hand how often thats ever happened EVER in boxing history that a fighter didn't land 1 punch. So I don't believe for 1 min that Ali one of the atg's did that not once but often. Thats some BS

So I went back and listened to the interview with the authors of “Ali By the Numbers.” They did Compubox analysis of every Ali fight save one I believe. They even got access to judge scorecards for many fights, and could compare punch numbers with judge scorecards. Here are some highlights of what they found:

Ali was outlanded by Jimmy Young, 222-113, in their 1976 fight. Round one, Ali threw 5 punches to Young’s 74. Young out-landed Ali 18-0. Two of the judges scored the round even.

Round 3, same fight. Ali our-landed 21-7, out thrown 78-26. Two judges gave the round to Ali, the third had it a tie.

Ali won the fight on points, easily. Impossible to say whether the fight was fixed, or if this was the sort of deference some judges showed to champions.

The authors found other rounds in which Ali didn’t land a punch. Two against Ron Lyles alone! Michael Spinks landed 419 punches against Ali and only got a split decision.

I tell you, we boxing fans complain about judging, sometimes justifiably. But the judging we have today is not as bad as what Ali benefitted from.

[kushking]

So I went back and listened to the interview with the authors of “Ali By the Numbers.” They did Compubox analysis of every Ali fight save one I believe. They even got access to judge scorecards for many fights, and could compare punch numbers with judge scorecards. Here are some highlights of what they found:

Ali was outlanded by Jimmy Young, 222-113, in their 1976 fight. Round one, Ali threw 5 punches to Young’s 74. Young out-landed Ali 18-0. Two of the judges scored the round even.

Round 3, same fight. Ali our-landed 21-7, out thrown 78-26. Two judges gave the round to Ali, the third had it a tie.

Ali won the fight on points, easily. Impossible to say whether the fight was fixed, or if this was the sort of deference some judges showed to champions.

The authors found other rounds in which Ali didn’t land a punch. Two against Ron Lyles alone! Michael Spinks landed 419 punches against Ali and only got a split decision.

I tell you, we boxing fans complain about judging, sometimes justifiably. But the judging we have today is not as bad as what Ali benefitted from.

Same thing with hagler-leonard, everyone complains about byrds card but in hagler hearns a judge had it exactly the same -completely 1 sided in a very close fight. Your right though I'm sure Ali benefitted because he was the only TRUE star of that era even though there were more greats then than now.

[Mr.365]

Bud & Loma

[billeau2]

that's well said. but even as a huge Whitaker fan, I don't get too upset about that terrible decision. Whitaker could have fought Chavez earlier, but dodged him.

The funniest fight I ever saw was Roger Mayweather against the Pea...Nobody got under Sweet Pea's skin like Roger lol!

[QueensburyRules]

- -Pea took it to Rog harder than any he fought and pulled his trunks down too.

Almost paid the price when Rog put him on ***** Street late round, but Pea pulled it out. Had he shown this much vim and vigor in his career and not suffered from the era nose candy, I'd rate him among the best instead of just among the best natural talents.

Jcc criticized for mediocre boxing skills, but when he fought Rog, he was in full sway of his Mexican Assassin phase and Chavez still nobody, yet boxed and moved beautifully to slowly break him down in a clinic. After that Chavez fell in love with his power, chin, and conditioning to become the monster and hung on too long as he succumbed to the nose candy, women, and entourage mentality.