I'm sorry but i can't see Liston as a great or even good boxer ?

[markusmod]

- - I like Cobbs. Ultimately though, he's like popcorn going up against Lions.

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[The Old LefHook]

Whenever I hear Liston mentioned people seem full of praise for him, rating him in their top 10 lists and calling him an atg but I am sorry, I will definitely receive hate for this but I cannot try as hard as I might look at Ali-Liston II and see Liston as anything more than a B-rate fighter.

I do not think any heavyweight in the top 10 today would have lost as badly to Ali in that fight. As a matter of fact I do not think a top 10 heavyweight from any other era would have done that badly. No A-rate fighter should be beaten that easily, even by the GOAT.

Tony Galento did 100x better against a Prime Louis than Liston did against Ali, is Ali 100x as good as a Prime Louis ? I think not. 50+ Archie Moore did much better against Ali then Liston did !

I'm sorry to all Liston fans but I cannot see him as anything more than a B-rate boxer who was fortunate to be born in a weak era. I do not think he'd make the Top 10 today or even 10 years before or after his time. He wasn't a bum but he just wasn't great or even world-class.

We never claimed you knew anything, did we?

[billeau2]

I'm with you on this.

Liston was also a lot older than people were led to believe. Still formidable, but definitely not prime.

[Nash out]

Liston was about 70 when he fought Ali. He had incredible power, massive reach, but limited boxing ability and no speed. honestly, probably would not be top 50 today. Even Ali would be no more than top 20 now, but he brought personality to sport, and that's more than boxing. Nash out.

[markusmod]

Liston was about 70 when he fought Ali. He had incredible power, massive reach, but limited boxing ability and no speed. honestly, probably would not be top 50 today. Even Ali would be no more than top 20 now, but he brought personality to sport, and that's more than boxing. Nash out.

Luis Ortiz was in first grade with Liston. I'm not even sure that it's false.

[JAB5239]

Luis Ortiz was in first grade with Liston. I'm not even sure that it's false.

Definitely false. Fact is Ortiz was in first grade when Liston died in 1970.

[markusmod]

Definitely false. Fact is Ortiz was in first grade when Liston died in 1970.

You mean Liston was in first grade when Ortiz fought in the Cuban amateurs

[JAB5239]

You mean Liston was in first grade when Ortiz fought in the Cuban amateurs

Possibly, but only because he was illiterate. The only thing we know with absolute certainty is they're both as old as dirt.

[markusmod]

Possibly, but only because he was illiterate. The only thing we know with absolute certainty is they're both as old as dirt.

Rigo was only in second grade at that time.

[Rockin']

Wilder was easily the worst Heavyweight champion. The guy could punch but he boxed like a pos, untrained, street fighter. If Wilder ranks anywhere, Liston is head and shoulders ahead of him.............Rockin'