Would a Prime Muhammad Ali win over a prime Wlad?

[them_apples]

Try to calm down and collect your thoughts before you post...I can practically feel the spittle and the stutter from here! Yes Hoody and I we buy our Brooks Brothers, talk of our edumucations, and how when we buy the baked beans we can afford the real brand and not the generic ones! Never heard of inorganic bean sprouts either.

You implied in your post that vlad faced superior punchers, but who knows? frankly your mind is a disorganized swiss cheese of a brain, with more holes than cheese, just like your arguments actually. Queeny you are the hole in the center of the donut!!

lmao i laughed out loud at this post. well said though! haha

[Rusty Tromboni]

Ali is way too smart, way too skilled and is athletically superior. Even in his old age he beats Wlad he was so smart and his heart was tremendous. Wlad is a robot with a glass jaw, and he's not even that fast, has 0 headmovement, I don't even think wlad would be much fo a puncher in ali era either, he knocked out a lot of blown up cruisers who 0 skill or headmovement let alone heart.

A prime Ali had three tries to beat Norton, couldn't do it.

Ali's victories over Liston and Frazier were hardly "smart".

So if lesser men make it so difficult for Ali, why does Vlad suddenly get exposed!?

The pre-Steward version, sure. it's a helluva fight, which ali evntually wins. I see Angelo Dundee allowing Ali to do his thing, before Ali eventually realizes he should stick to the game plan to pullout the win. Ali wins it, learning the hard way.

But the champion Wlad has too much composure. He works to his strengths, preventing ali from exploiting the weakness.

[billeau2]

lmao i laughed out loud at this post. well said though! haha

Queenie is like a ******ed cousin that your mom says "If your going to chase girls take your cousin with you!!" So you get it all figured out... how to make him into a chick magnet for you, until you hear a screech and turn around... Girl's eyes are really large and she says "Ewwww he pissed on my leg!!!!"

[billeau2]

A prime Ali had three tries to beat Norton, couldn't do it.

Ali's victories over Liston and Frazier were hardly "smart".

So if lesser men make it so difficult for Ali, why does Vlad suddenly get exposed!?

The pre-Steward version, sure. it's a helluva fight, which ali evntually wins. I see Angelo Dundee allowing Ali to do his thing, before Ali eventually realizes he should stick to the game plan to pullout the win. Ali wins it, learning the hard way.

But the champion Wlad has too much composure. He works to his strengths, preventing ali from exploiting the weakness.

Many people think Stewart just made Kitchsko a clincher. Ali was hard to hit and had a chin, Norton was a pressure fighter. Norton held his hands like Archie Moore, and if you took Archie, took out his reverse gear and made him bigger and more one dimensional you would have Norton. Norton was very athletic and could make you fight his fight.

Ali liked to operate from a distance, I just don't know what Vlad does...He can't clinch Ali from such a far distance, he can't pressure Ali without getting countered...Vlad tends to throw his hands up, to react reflexively when getting countered, a very bad habit against a fast guy who can feint. Ali would catch him a lot because of that habit. Vlad does have a great jab.

I like the proposition that Vitalie is a better fight for Ali. Still think Ali wins it, but Vitali had certain talents in the ring that made him more durable imo.

[billeau2]

What the hell are you taking about?

Seriously?

Anybody that knows anything of his career knows that he looked at his best athletically, when he was 25 just before he lost his license. Yes, he was still relatively young when he came back. But there's a clear difference between the two versions of him. This really shouldn't need explaining to you.

Apparently there are posters 25 years ago who are still trying to figure that one out.

[QueensburyRules]

Ali is way too smart, way too skilled and is athletically superior. Even in his old age he beats Wlad he was so smart and his heart was tremendous. Wlad is a robot with a glass jaw, and he's not even that fast, has 0 headmovement, I don't even think wlad would be much fo a puncher in ali era either, he knocked out a lot of blown up cruisers who 0 skill or headmovement let alone heart.

- -Ali ain't a big man and the Bros perfected the big man style that KTFO DKing and dominate the abc era in boxing in a fashion that will prob never be duplicated.

Had better footwork than prime Ali and better late careers than Ali when he took his most beatings and was starting to stink.

I certainly don't discount that ali could adapt to the modern era like Chis Byrd did, but the bros in Ali's era of 8oz gloves would be even more powerful and had the economy of style much like Joe Louis underrated economy that made him dangerous thru all 15 rds.

I'd give Louis a better chance than Ali because of his consistency like the bros had , whereas face it, Ali was wildly inconsistent from start of his career til the end where he became the posterboy for those wanting to ban boxing.

[robertzimmerman]

"Had better footwork than prime Ali..."

100% pure straight jacket talk.

[QueensburyRules]

"Had better footwork than prime Ali..."

100% pure straight jacket talk.

- -Ali wasted a lot of useless energy running a much greater distance than his opponents were walking...DUH!

Not scoring any points during those episodes that he got away with because of weak opposition.

Joe Louis also better though the Ks were faster on their feet.

Like Ropadopa thought to be genius until the usual suspect experts figured out he was taking too many punches, tragically as it turned out.

[them_apples]

A prime Ali had three tries to beat Norton, couldn't do it.

Ali's victories over Liston and Frazier were hardly "smart".

So if lesser men make it so difficult for Ali, why does Vlad suddenly get exposed!?

The pre-Steward version, sure. it's a helluva fight, which ali evntually wins. I see Angelo Dundee allowing Ali to do his thing, before Ali eventually realizes he should stick to the game plan to pullout the win. Ali wins it, learning the hard way.

But the champion Wlad has too much composure. He works to his strengths, preventing ali from exploiting the weakness.

Ali wasn't in his prime when he fought Norton, any time after his layoff he never had the same legs. 3 years off from boxing will certainly take something out of you.

However, Nortons style did trouble Ali, but he troubled any "boxer" or fighter that didn't have a massive punch to recklessly smash Norton apart.

Past prime Norton nearly beat a prime Holmes, who would have killed Klitschko as well and knocked him out.

On top of this it doesn't matter anyways, Vlad got stretched by mediocre opponents, even Joshua is a low level fighter in a trash era. I am not convinced Wlad would be much of a puncher against real heavyweights, Not convinced he beats norton either, his only real punch was a right cross from the outside which I don't see doing the trick

[QueensburyRules]

- -Wlad could control fights with just his left hand , something the usual boxing experts went full frothing rabid over.

Keep em coming boys. Funnier'n a barrel of roided howler monkeys.