For you, who won the Hagler vs Leonard fight?

[The Old LefHook]

Losers Benitez, Hearns, Duran and Hagler all deserved timely rematches, which none received. Leonard was psychopathically selfish. However, that is probably reasonable behavior for a boxer, one must concede, but lousy for the sport and for the fan nonetheless.

These victims did not realize there was a serial scalp taker on the loose, who only wanted their scalps once. Leonard was obsessed with legacy, he understood it, and he apparently understood that the bulk of it was made up of whipping famous names near their primes. To Leonard, beating three different ATGs stood incalculably higher than beating one ATG three times. He only craved each scalp once. This shortcut of his was not too far short of how the old time greats had gotten their own legacies, he seemed to think. In an era where fighters fought a third of the battles their elders had, this shortcut could even be interpreted as a necessary abbreviation for any boxer seeking the super heights of fame, glory and legacy.

Leonard was not the first lofty ATG dandy, but maybe the first to hold used scalps in such disdain. Robinson and Ali were certainly out of the earlier tradition, engaging in many timely rematches with their most dangerous opponents. Leonard engaged in 0 such rematches.

[QueensburyRules]

--- Sal Sanchez has a better career and title record than the fake Ray, and all by age 23!

So does Aaron Pryor who had the luxury of watching Ray host a dinner and news conference to announce he would ducking them with retirement.

Of course he reneged to eventually juke and jive Marv to nobody's satisfaction save the misty eyed schoolboys who worshipped him.

[JAB5239]

--- Sal Sanchez has a better career and title record than the fake Ray, and all by age 23!

So does Aaron Pryor who had the luxury of watching Ray host a dinner and news conference to announce he would ducking them with retirement.

Of course he reneged to eventually juke and jive Marv to nobody's satisfaction save the misty eyed schoolboys who worshipped him.

Actually neither have a better nor more accomplished record. And as best I can remember, Pryor turned down a career high payday to fight Leonard. Who knows though, I may be mistaken.

[QueensburyRules]

--- Pryor was in a legal dispute between two managers, hence the Ray offer knowing neither had the authority to be a part of that fight without further lawsuits.

Context is everything.

[JAB5239]

--- Pryor was in a legal dispute between two managers, hence the Ray offer knowing neither had the authority to be a part of that fight without further lawsuits.

Context is everything.

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[BattlingNelson]

--- Pryor was in a legal dispute between two managers, hence the Ray offer knowing neither had the authority to be a part of that fight without further lawsuits.

Context is everything.

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I am confident that there is a fine Sports Illustrated article on this, and that it has been posted here a few times. The whole issue about Leonard supposedly ducked Pryor, was all down to an ill researched installment of hbo legendary nights.

[The Old LefHook]

"Prove it," is the best policy.

[QueensburyRules]

--- I'm not in the category of stating Pryor was out and out ducked by Ray, but he and Marv were invited to Rays luxuriant dinner/press conference.

The idea was Ray would announce his fight schedule involving the two. Instead it was his shocking retirement announcement, so at that precise moment, Ray can be seen as ducking his two main rivals as he saw them.

Obviously he became an expert in using retirement as a tool to avoid the best fighters that TUE copied to similar scorn.

[JAB5239]

--- I'm not in the category of stating Pryor was out and out ducked by Ray, but he and Marv were invited to Rays luxuriant dinner/press conference.

The idea was Ray would announce his fight schedule involving the two. Instead it was his shocking retirement announcement, so at that precise moment, Ray can be seen as ducking his two main rivals as he saw them.

Obviously he became an expert in using retirement as a tool to avoid the best fighters that TUE copied to similar scorn.

So what is it? You say it's not an "out and out duck", but it's still a duck because Leonard retired for a spell because of a detached retina? The fact is Pryor could have made the fight and didn't. He passed it up in his own words even though it would have been a career high payday that could have led to MUCH more money had he won. Sounds more like he was trying to cash out to me. Either way, there is no reasonable way to say Sugar Ray Leonard ducked this fight in any sense of the word.

[QueensburyRules]

--- Like I say, Aaron's disfunction with mgrs was well known.

The video says Aaron turning down 400k to Rays 4mil, an insulting 10-90 offer.

My point is clear, Ray had a dinner/presser where he made it clear he was ducking him and Marv.

If he really wanted Aaron, they would negotiate. I don't see that ever happened. Had Aaron been more stable with a better mgr, maybe it would have worked, sorta like if Ray wasn't worried about his eyesight. They played the dice life rolled for them, and oddly bad boy Hearns and Aaron became the good guys and Ray became the greedy panto villain.

Go figure...