Marciano unbeatable?

[uncle ben]

After all those sources, thats all you can come up with???

Thats exactly what I thought you had, NOTHING.

Rocky was a C-Level fighter. Just because you grew up during that time doesn't make an a A+ level fighter.

IMO, Marciano was one of the best 180-200 pounders of all time and I'd pick him to beat several over 200 pounders, not the best of the best like say prime Lewis, but a guy like Chuvalo would be fair game for Marciano.

I mean, we can go through many champions records and find fault. Holmes, Tyson's, Dempsey's, Listons, Joshua's, Wilders even a prime Ali. Wlad was 9 years older than Charles was in 1954 when Wlad fought AJ. If Wilder and AJ fight this year, Wilder will be the same age now in 2018 that Charles was in 54.

Now I accept that Marciano's major opponents weren't in the prime of their abilities but on the other hand, they weren't just completely washed up either. There is some middle ground here. It's a false dichotomy to say either a fighter is in his prime or he's washed up as if there's no other option.

And, while people like to nitpick Marciano, his fellow champions thought very highly of him. I've read quotes from Liston, Foreman, Frazier and Ali praising Marciano. Frazier stated that the only two people he could see beating him at his absolute best was Louis and Marciano. Ali said that at his best, he think he would have beaten Marciano, but it would have been a difficult fight in which he believes he would have been tested. And Ali wasn't shy about saying he could have beaten anyone. So I believe he was sincere and saying what he really felt when he said that. Ringside, Ali was a guest commentator for the Chuvalo/Patterson fight and during the fight, unprompted, he made a comment about Marciano being "his idol". And keep in mind, this was in 1965 when Ali was a member of the militant Nation of Islam.

[HOUDINI563]

McNulty I watched the bout live. Was not a controversial decision...period.

[Archie_Leach]

Marciano was garbage and when he got exposed he quit.

You are fake news.

[OctoberRed]

Marciano, decade by decade, is one of the most argued on fighters in history. Either he was a legendary great to some or a fraud to others.

[JAB5239]

Marciano, decade by decade, is one of the most argued on fighters in history. Either he was a legendary great to some or a fraud to others.

Only an idiot would consider him a fraud.

He was an exceptional fighter who over came his average skillset with determination and brute power.

[Archie_Leach]

Only an idiot would consider him a fraud.

He was an exceptional fighter who over came his average skillset with determination and brute power.

Under rated hand speed...

[ShoulderRoll]

Marciano, decade by decade, is one of the most argued on fighters in history. Either he was a legendary great to some or a fraud to others.

I don't think he was a fraud. I just think he tends to get vastly overrated due to his undefeated record.

As mentioned earlier, when the old time boxing experts made rankings of heavyweight champions Rocky was usually ranked in the back half of the top 10.

It is only today that people seem desperate to push him to the top spots ahead of more deserving champs like Jack Dempsey for example.

[QueensburyRules]

--- Ali thought so highly of Rocky that one of his boulders at his training camp was honored with Rocky's name.

This well after Rocky knocked him out in the all time heavyweight tourney!

Read it and weep naysayers and n'er do wells!

[Archie_Leach]

--- Ali thought so highly of Rocky that one of his boulders at his training camp was honored with Rocky's name.

This well after Rocky knocked him out in the all time heavyweight tourney!

Read it and weep naysayers and n'er do wells!

Rocky retired undefeated.

Clay took multiple humiliating and savage beatings.
Plus he lost to Henry Cooper but cheated his way out of it.

[just the facts]

Rocky retired undefeated.

Clay took multiple humiliating and savage beatings.
Plus he lost to Henry Cooper but cheated his way out of it.

Isn’t it amazing that there really are boxing fans as ****** as this guy?