The Lomachenko Step-Around

[The Old LefHook]

Who shoved a stick up your ass? ****ing ******* internet tough guy...

https://streamable.com/l6b3m

Don't you Ever argue with a man of my stature!

You must not have noticed the points I have on me, boy. Quite a load, eh? You listen to yer wise old elders, son, and you can have a load of points like that someday yerseft.

No shame at all in it, son. Here is what I want you to do:

Go to the nearest blackboard, or for our purposes a forum post will be jes' fine. I want you to write in that post one hundred times the internet acronym IDKSAB.

Now I wouldn't squander time on a student with no promise. All right, then. I promise YDKSAB. But you've got better innate sense than most of 'em around here, when you are not sassing your elders, that is, boy. Of course you will have to Sto-piss if you want the master's wisdom to wash over you and guide you to your diploma in critical boxing analysis. I might even drop my regular fee for you. I jes' might.

[HOUDINI563]

Loma is a 12-1 pro. One would really need be a fan boy of exceptional proportions to be overly impressed by anything he did in the ring. To me at this point he is just a quick tricky southpaw.

[The Old LefHook]

Loma is a 12-1 pro. One would really need be a fan boy of exceptional proportions to be overly impressed by anything he did in the ring. To me at this point he is just a quick tricky southpaw.

Well, overly means too much. You are way too foxy, Houdini.

His competition level has truly been one of the poorest starts you have ever seen, I am guessing.

A man like you can see he is nothing special right away. The rest of us may need a little more time. To us, tricky can be a good thing in boxing, to you it is tacky and worthless. You know southpaws are no good, but we do not know that yet. You know speed is a curse and not a blessing, but we have not learned that yet either. Give us time. You are the great Houdini not we.

[NChristo-]

Orlando Canizales was the perfect shout here, Roman Gonzalez would be another who does it often from recent memory. As you've said what he does is nothing new but the way he does it is not something new either.

If you can't see Loma is a different type of animal by now Houdini you should take a few minutes out of your day to watch him fight, plenty of footage on Youtube and what have you, because the only way someone can say this guy isn't the real deal is someone who has yet to see him.

[Mr.MojoRisin']

Don't you Ever argue with a man of my stature!

You must not have noticed the points I have on me, boy. Quite a load, eh? You listen to yer wise old elders, son, and you can have a load of points like that someday yerseft.

No shame at all in it, son. Here is what I want you to do:

Go to the nearest blackboard, or for our purposes a forum post will be jes' fine. I want you to write in that post one hundred times the internet acronym IDKSAB.

Now I wouldn't squander time on a student with no promise. All right, then. I promise YDKSAB. But you've got better innate sense than most of 'em around here, when you are not sassing your elders, that is, boy. Of course you will have to Sto-piss if you want the master's wisdom to wash over you and guide you to your diploma in critical boxing analysis. I might even drop my regular fee for you. I jes' might.

I'll argue with whoever I want. **** you punk

[Anthony342]

I prefer the Ray Charles Mess Around: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNe5npkid-s

[OctoberRed]

I'll argue with whoever I want. **** you punk

Didn't you learn from chasing off Frog... LOL

[Dempsey-Louis]

--- Young Hector Camacho had his "street" moves with more impromptu variations than Loma has.

Loma has respect for the game and ain't trying to clown you like Camacho was. Shame he never realized his potential because of drugs.

Young Hector vs seasoned Loma would be an aficionado fight for the ages. At 130 Hector had some pop too.

I am not sure it was drugs that hurt Camacho (not really sure if it was as bad as it would eventually get), poor management, and then really poor self management (and some bad luck, losing first the Mancini and then the Bramble paydays) tarnished Hector's career.

In the second half of his career the attributes that made him a great junior-lightweight and lightweight, speed and movement, had diminished, (and he never really had much ****) so when he faced the big hitters late, Chavez, Trinidad, Del La Hoya he no longer had the movement and was outsized.

I guess what I am saying is that he did reach his potential. There was a point as a jrLW and LW were he rose to being an ATG.

1985-86 Camacho could have given all the ATG LWs a run for the money. i.e. a good fight.

The Camacho who lost to Trinidad (which I think is his worst performance) was already diminished, and fighting above his natural weight. I don't think it was the drugs, (but in the end they would destroy his life), I think he did reach his potential. I suspect 'no drugs' still doesn't get him pass Trinidad.

[Dempsey-Louis]

Taking a step is not new in boxing. Duh! But sometimes the way you take them might be. Once in a while a move is so identified with a fighter that his name must be included in the name of the move. An additional really good example is the Walcott Walk-Away. The Starling Stomp was another good example. How about the Ali Shuffle?

The Walcott walk-away I have never heard before. I just coined it. The move always needed a name anyway, Joe's name had to be in it.

Same with Lomachenko's step-around--his name had to be in it. Others have used it to some degree before. But both Mayweather and Pep only used it to scoot around to the back of their opponent like a standing doggie style, so the ref would then step in and break them up and they could start clean again. Lomachenko uses the halfway position to punch his man from the side. This is innovative. I cannot think of anyone before him who performs this move as easily as a jab. For decades in my mind I saw someone who was fast enough doing this. I wondered why the few guys who were fast enough never tried it, and certainly never developed it. Well, then someone came along.

The Lomachenko Step-Around.

The 'Fitzsimmons shift' was all about the footwork too.

I think Camacho mastered the 'Walcott Walk-Away'

Can we make some up like the "Bramble Statue."

Actually, Joe Frazier had something particular going on, some rhythmic 'bob and weave' that seemed both classic and yet uniquely his. I do not know how to label it.

P.S. if you go to the Wikipedia page for 'bob and weave' they list examples (fighters) - try and guess the top four listed, in the correct order. -- BTW I don't agree with half their list, we should rewrite it. Can you still change a Wiki page?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_and_weave

[OctoberRed]

The Camacho who lost to Trinidad (which I think is his worst performance) was already diminished, and fighting above his natural weight. I don't think it was the drugs, (but in the end they would destroy his life), I think he did reach his potential. I suspect 'no drugs' still doesn't get him pass Trinidad.

And to think, after this loss he still worked his way to a pay-per-view fight with De La Hoya and went the distance.