Ghost Town

[Anthony342]

Doesn't seem that dead to me. Today, for instance, I see 7 threads all with new responses.

[billeau2]

The section washes and waines... But I do think that when fighters are brought in whom history has not touched yet it creates problems.

People talk about Mayweather, well...it used to be Roy Jones. You don't get the total worship of Jones now, and people are not so quick to judge him either way because history has mellowed out those perspectives. The same has to happen with all fighters.

The other thing is that there are posters here who simply have no regard for the skills and process that fighters have brought to the table. Some posters are knowlegable and make good comparisons but others just come here to antagonise.

Every so often it bares mentioning the following: Human beings have not changed anatomically for many moons. Evolution physically takes many moons to occur. Even for neanderthals the most proper way of naturally delivering a blow is by raising the hand up over the head and coming down, that is how our bodies were designed to hit something hard. This anthropological fact also applies to a blunt instrument like a club, or even a blade, when considering the quality of most blades before meturology.

Look at how apes hit things and walk and you will have an idea about how we were designed to hit things. Apes never jab they can use tools, and they use whole body movements when hitting down to crush things.

When man made a fist he learned many specialized ways of hitting that are not anatomical in nature. This had led to tremendous variety. Wrestling is different because the feedback loop is instintaneous: You feel the pressure and the body responds in kind. With a punch one has to make a judgement about where the target is, and how to complete the movement succesfully.

Man has been punching and kicking things according to different cultural mores, combat situations, etc... So there is nothing new about fist fighting. Most fist fighting derived from other weapons...Boxing came from fencing initially. Boxing for combat also involved weapons, hidden, etc... and so different styles developed according to terrains, etc.

By the time boxing becomes a 15 round affair, with gloves, divisions that are set somewhat permanently, there is a golden age where there are boxing gyms in all the big cities, trainers, poor immigrants who like to fight, and... unlike the fencing derived spectacle of james Figg's time....there is very little cost. Kids can get some gloves and have at it. So people are boxing.

It is this time that many technical aspects are brought to fruition, replacing technical aspects developed from Figg's fencing inspired system. Guys like Gem mace, Jim Corbett (who came up bare knuckle despite not fighting bare knuckle), Mendoza, Spinoza, Johnson, etc all developed the scientific principles of fighting with the lead punch, setting traps, and off the back leg. In my opinion Gene Tunney became the epitome of this style and was able to beat Dempsey using it.

Dempsey and eventually Louis became the new classical age of punching, fighting off the front foot, combo using, footwork based on moving forwards, cutting the ring off, etc.

But what we see today is a combination of the amateur system taking precedent. Probably because for most of the world this is the system taught to fighters... And gyms like Gleasons, Kronk, etc that taught specialized ways of punching and improvisation are either staying in business teaching basics to stock brokers, or going under... So little has changed in the anthropology of how to deliver a blow. The sport dictates how fighters will train.

Most people in a life and death struggle, when your adrelaline is pumping out, your heart beating at 190 and above, your vision tunneled, auditory exclusion making all sounds dissapear but what you are in front of you, will look like a caveman when striking someone or thing. Which is why martial arts often look silly to people who box... You practice making large movements smaller, and moving in a manner that will allow you to use the large muscle groups because we lose most of our fine motor coordination unless we train it completely.

Point being: boxing has changed but people have not changed form, or structure.

[mickey malone]

The section washes and waines... But I do think that when fighters are brought in whom history has not touched yet it creates problems.

People talk about Mayweather, well...it used to be Roy Jones. You don't get the total worship of Jones now, and people are not so quick to judge him either way because history has mellowed out those perspectives. The same has to happen with all fighters.

The other thing is that there are posters here who simply have no regard for the skills and process that fighters have brought to the table. Some posters are knowlegable and make good comparisons but others just come here to antagonise.

Every so often it bares mentioning the following: Human beings have not changed anatomically for many moons. Evolution physically takes many moons to occur. Even for neanderthals the most proper way of naturally delivering a blow is by raising the hand up over the head and coming down, that is how our bodies were designed to hit something hard. This anthropological fact also applies to a blunt instrument like a club, or even a blade, when considering the quality of most blades before meturology.

Look at how apes hit things and walk and you will have an idea about how we were designed to hit things. Apes never jab they can use tools, and they use whole body movements when hitting down to crush things.

When man made a fist he learned many specialized ways of hitting that are not anatomical in nature. This had led to tremendous variety. Wrestling is different because the feedback loop is instintaneous: You feel the pressure and the body responds in kind. With a punch one has to make a judgement about where the target is, and how to complete the movement succesfully.

Man has been punching and kicking things according to different cultural mores, combat situations, etc... So there is nothing new about fist fighting. Most fist fighting derived from other weapons...Boxing came from fencing initially. Boxing for combat also involved weapons, hidden, etc... and so different styles developed according to terrains, etc.

By the time boxing becomes a 15 round affair, with gloves, divisions that are set somewhat permanently, there is a golden age where there are boxing gyms in all the big cities, trainers, poor immigrants who like to fight, and... unlike the fencing derived spectacle of james Figg's time....there is very little cost. Kids can get some gloves and have at it. So people are boxing.

It is this time that many technical aspects are brought to fruition, replacing technical aspects developed from Figg's fencing inspired system. Guys like Gem mace, Jim Corbett (who came up bare knuckle despite not fighting bare knuckle), Mendoza, Spinoza, Johnson, etc all developed the scientific principles of fighting with the lead punch, setting traps, and off the back leg. In my opinion Gene Tunney became the epitome of this style and was able to beat Dempsey using it.

Dempsey and eventually Louis became the new classical age of punching, fighting off the front foot, combo using, footwork based on moving forwards, cutting the ring off, etc.

But what we see today is a combination of the amateur system taking precedent. Probably because for most of the world this is the system taught to fighters... And gyms like Gleasons, Kronk, etc that taught specialized ways of punching and improvisation are either staying in business teaching basics to stock brokers, or going under... So little has changed in the anthropology of how to deliver a blow. The sport dictates how fighters will train.

Most people in a life and death struggle, when your adrelaline is pumping out, your heart beating at 190 and above, your vision tunneled, auditory exclusion making all sounds dissapear but what you are in front of you, will look like a caveman when striking someone or thing. Which is why martial arts often look silly to people who box... You practice making large movements smaller, and moving in a manner that will allow you to use the large muscle groups because we lose most of our fine motor coordination unless we train it completely.

Point being: boxing has changed but people have not changed form, or structure.

You're a deep thinker and a bloody good poster mate

Can see you've done a bit

Regards

[mickey malone]

Doesn't seem that dead to me. Today, for instance, I see 7 threads all with new responses.

Mission accomplished

[kafkod]

The section washes and waines... But I do think that when fighters are brought in whom history has not touched yet it creates problems.

People talk about Mayweather, well...it used to be Roy Jones. You don't get the total worship of Jones now, and people are not so quick to judge him either way because history has mellowed out those perspectives. The same has to happen with all fighters.

The other thing is that there are posters here who simply have no regard for the skills and process that fighters have brought to the table. Some posters are knowlegable and make good comparisons but others just come here to antagonise.

Every so often it bares mentioning the following: Human beings have not changed anatomically for many moons. Evolution physically takes many moons to occur. Even for neanderthals the most proper way of naturally delivering a blow is by raising the hand up over the head and coming down, that is how our bodies were designed to hit something hard. This anthropological fact also applies to a blunt instrument like a club, or even a blade, when considering the quality of most blades before meturology.

Look at how apes hit things and walk and you will have an idea about how we were designed to hit things. Apes never jab they can use tools, and they use whole body movements when hitting down to crush things.

When man made a fist he learned many specialized ways of hitting that are not anatomical in nature. This had led to tremendous variety. Wrestling is different because the feedback loop is instintaneous: You feel the pressure and the body responds in kind. With a punch one has to make a judgement about where the target is, and how to complete the movement succesfully.

Man has been punching and kicking things according to different cultural mores, combat situations, etc... So there is nothing new about fist fighting. Most fist fighting derived from other weapons...Boxing came from fencing initially. Boxing for combat also involved weapons, hidden, etc... and so different styles developed according to terrains, etc.

By the time boxing becomes a 15 round affair, with gloves, divisions that are set somewhat permanently, there is a golden age where there are boxing gyms in all the big cities, trainers, poor immigrants who like to fight, and... unlike the fencing derived spectacle of james Figg's time....there is very little cost. Kids can get some gloves and have at it. So people are boxing.

It is this time that many technical aspects are brought to fruition, replacing technical aspects developed from Figg's fencing inspired system. Guys like Gem mace, Jim Corbett (who came up bare knuckle despite not fighting bare knuckle), Mendoza, Spinoza, Johnson, etc all developed the scientific principles of fighting with the lead punch, setting traps, and off the back leg. In my opinion Gene Tunney became the epitome of this style and was able to beat Dempsey using it.

Dempsey and eventually Louis became the new classical age of punching, fighting off the front foot, combo using, footwork based on moving forwards, cutting the ring off, etc.

But what we see today is a combination of the amateur system taking precedent. Probably because for most of the world this is the system taught to fighters... And gyms like Gleasons, Kronk, etc that taught specialized ways of punching and improvisation are either staying in business teaching basics to stock brokers, or going under... So little has changed in the anthropology of how to deliver a blow. The sport dictates how fighters will train.

Most people in a life and death struggle, when your adrelaline is pumping out, your heart beating at 190 and above, your vision tunneled, auditory exclusion making all sounds dissapear but what you are in front of you, will look like a caveman when striking someone or thing. Which is why martial arts often look silly to people who box... You practice making large movements smaller, and moving in a manner that will allow you to use the large muscle groups because we lose most of our fine motor coordination unless we train it completely.

Point being: boxing has changed but people have not changed form, or structure.

I'm very interested in the science of evolution - especially human evolution - and I've been thinking for a while about posting some interesting theories I came across that go deeper into the history of pugilism than anything I've seen before.

I'll look up the stuff I'm talking about and get back to it.

[billeau2]

I'm very interested in the science of evolution - especially human evolution - and I've been thinking for a while about posting some interesting theories I came across that go deeper into the history of pugilism than anything I've seen before.

I'll look up the stuff I'm talking about and get back to it.

Thats gist for the mill here. Don Draeger even developed a branch of history that deals with combat, called Hoplology. What is fascinating is that as we develop a preference for Western style military might, where whole villages are decimated at the click of a button, we have in some ways deevolved in the fighting arts. If one looks at the SouthAsian blade arts for an example (Draeger studied these arts for his first book), or the classical fighting arts of Japan (the Koryu ha) and compare it to what we call combat now-a-days its laughable.

As sport developed, fighting applications seemed to dissapear. Relatively few people take the time to keep these fighting arts alive, perhaps prefering to be able to wrestle someone to the ground in a barfight and pound on them and declare themselves a warrior lol. Geronimo, on a bet wore a cowbell when he was captured, and was let go on one side of the camp with the expectation he would be heard and discovered by the many expert fighting men of the US regimen when he made way for the other side...

When he was discovered right where he started from these expert fighting men laughed "humph!! ****** Injun all that hoophola!!! then they noticed something...the proof was supposed to be that Geronimo dropped off a package and the package was dropped...it turned out that a true fighting man had in fact went undetected and CAME BACK again! Whoops!!

And Samurai...with swords that can cut in any direction equally, trained youngsters only in etiquette, how to sit with weapons, and how to read and write, yet these men became as adults perhaps the finest technical swordsmen the world had ever known, or some of the finest at any rate...how was that accomplished? The Spartans beat on each other from birth and while incredible fighting men in their own right, did not have the technos and subtle skill levels of some of the other fighing men.

So this area is interesting and it does beg the question of how these different approaches to fighting have evolved.

[Anthony342]

Mission accomplished

Yeah, I check the forum twice a day and at night, 8 threads with new responses. Some of them even kind of lengthy.

[IronDanHamza]

It's a ghostown because everyone left.

Once upon a time we had like 50 regular members now we have less than 10 it seems.

Benny, Scott, Joseph, NChristo, WildBlueYonda, GJC (RIP), Ruben, Barn, BigStereo, Surgeon, Jab, Jrosales and the list goes on and on of posters who don't post here anymore. Most don't at all but the few that do aren't regular. Back then the above were posting daily.

What was great about this time was everyone I just mentioned above knew Boxing, but more importantly than that were respectful and willing to converse about differing viewpoints. That's the main issue here, we aren't all going to have the same opinion and the whole point of this site is to discuss things we may not necessarily agree with but we all had the knowledge and respect to go back and forth with it.

Whereas today if you have an opinion that differs posters just jump on their high and mighty high horse and accuse posters of "never having been in a ring before" despite having no clue if that is the case. Which really is just pathetic.

[The Old LefHook]

Come into my ring.

[The Old LefHook]

This ****ing **** hole place is ****ing me out of points again. Keep it up, if you are determined to lose yet another steady poster, *******s! That's twice I've been ****ed out of my interest in the last three interest updates.