Sugar Ray Leonard beats Floyd Mayweather Jr.

[Juan Acero]

I don't think it will be a debate even then. Ray Leonard stepped up and challenged himself against legit fighters of all time great status. When great fighters fight other legit greats they sometimes lose. The losses don't matter as much as the comeback from said loss. Floyd never truly faced a prime, all time great so, in that regard, there is no comparison. Even a 1,000 years won't change that. I'm a Floyd fan but that's the reality.

You miss the point hawk...

What will the people say in the future??
I honestly think it's already started.....

The way boxing is looked at by the public.....
The importance of glossy records....

You think I'm totally wrong about that??

[Elroy The Great]

match making was much easier back in the day....no networks to muddy the contracts. no one caring about drug testing.

i loath ''if's'' BUT, if srl was fighting in this era vs these opponents, who thinks he doesnt do the may thing

may never ''ducked'' a fighter and i cant see any prime guy in his era to ever give him an L. whos this prime guy that was supposed to beat up may

the names that are always thrown out there~
ssm - was a legit beast. id still pick may. ssm had some quirks about his game and may would have figured him out by the 4th.
cotto - not quick enough and gets hit too often.
margarito - ?????? laughable, doe

[Hawkins]

You miss the point hawk...

What will the people say in the future??
I honestly think it's already started.....

The way boxing is looked at by the public.....
The importance of glossy records....

You think I'm totally wrong about that??

You're right, my man. I did totally missed your point. Apologies.

No, you're not wrong at all. The promoters and managers and networks have marketed the undefeated streak to mean more than it actually does and, to the public at large it will overshadow other greater fighters.

Starting in probably the late 80s boxing started to become more about image and selling to the public as opposed to making the best fights possible. That's one of the biggest reasons boxing has been successfully challenged by the MMA world. I mean, it's fine to market a fighter to the public but to portray an image that isn't reality continues to hurt the sport IMO.

[Juan Acero]

You're right, my man. I did totally missed your point. Apologies.

No, you're not wrong at all. The promoters and managers and networks have marketed the undefeated streak to mean more than it actually does and, to the public at large it will overshadow other greater fighters.

Starting in probably the late 80s boxing started to become more about image and selling to the public as opposed to making the best fights possible. That's one of the biggest reasons boxing has been successfully challenged by the MMA world. I mean, it's fine to market a fighter to the public but to portray an image that isn't reality continues to hurt the sport IMO.

I'm not some top notch expert...

But I have made a few observations in my time following this "sport"

Boxing is very much like pro wrestling. Except Wrestling makes it no secret that it's fixed and more importantly a fighters success is based on popularity NOT talent or bravery.

Fighters of old had no time to lick their wounds and sulk
when they lost. They would just have to keep taking fights when ever they could or their familys wold simply starve.
This produced better more well rounded pros....

I haven't been watching this trash sport anywhere near as long as the old b@stards in history section and I'm already sickened from this dogsh'it sport.
I'm talking about robberies corruption, bias etc If you hadn't already worked that out.

I would never actually pay to watch boxing again.

And the hilarious new trend that has started......
A-sides/home fighters get to win by illegal means.
Ward gets to ko fighters via multiple low blows.
Davis get a ko by rabbit punch. (while other fighters on the card get warned for the same thing lol)
Stieglits was getting beat up and on the verge of ko loss. But his opponents tape came loose. SO THEY call it a TKO loss cos the guy didn't have spare tape and the commission refused to give him any.

And the propaganda the other night was hilarious.
Floyd mayflower showed once AGAIN he can't handle guys with height. And that he gets confused by southpaws. BUT if you listen to the fans and media, It was all part of the show.
Like mayflower WANTED to walk into punches!!! LOL
And he lost more than 3 rounds.....
When the face of the sport can be outboxed by a literal member of the public pulled from the crowd you KNOW it's bad.....

I have no problem with the stoppage though.
(conroy mcloud clearly wanted out)


And what about all the forgotten fighters who got robbed.
And never got their chance???

And as far as I'm concerned there is no such thing as a world champion....

And what's with all clean sweep robbery scorecards.

[Juan Acero]

match making was much easier back in the day....no networks to muddy the contracts. no one caring about drug testing.

i loath ''if's'' BUT, if srl was fighting in this era vs these opponents, who thinks he doesnt do the may thing

may never ''ducked'' a fighter and i cant see any prime guy in his era to ever give him an L. whos this prime guy that was supposed to beat up may

the names that are always thrown out there~
ssm - was a legit beast. id still pick may. ssm had some quirks about his game and may would have figured him out by the 4th.
cotto - not quick enough and gets hit too often.
margarito - ?????? laughable, doe

Are you autistic??

[Elroy The Great]

Are you autistic??

is that an answer ??

[Juan Acero]

is that an answer ??

You're not very good at this...

[billeau2]

You're not very good at this...

He is not too bright to begin with and he has to watch his posting style as he might let the cat out of the bag....

Floyd Mayweather had his best fights at 130 give or take. He never had the size to fight guys like Leonard to begin with. Floyd also never fought any greats at their prime, Camacho for example would have been hell for him to handle speed for speed. I a not even saying its Floyd's fault, though I could...but there is a school of thought that says you never know how good a fighter really is, until they are in a 15 round battle, down, hurt, etc. 12 round fights favor the counter puncher, the defensive wizard, because many of the great punchers need all the clock/rounds to get to you. So for Floyd to have tested his medal it would have been nice to see him against a guy like Armstrong for example, who would not stop coming for 15 rounds.

But with that said, I don't hold it against Floyd that he conceviably can't beat a great welter...its not his best weight, not even close. How about Duran at light weight?

[Elroy The Great]

He is not too bright to begin with and he has to watch his posting style as he might let the cat out of the bag....

Floyd Mayweather had his best fights at 130 give or take. He never had the size to fight guys like Leonard to begin with. Floyd also never fought any greats at their prime, Camacho for example would have been hell for him to handle speed for speed. I a not even saying its Floyd's fault, though I could...but there is a school of thought that says you never know how good a fighter really is, until they are in a 15 round battle, down, hurt, etc. 12 round fights favor the counter puncher, the defensive wizard, because many of the great punchers need all the clock/rounds to get to you. So for Floyd to have tested his medal it would have been nice to see him against a guy like Armstrong for example, who would not stop coming for 15 rounds.

But with that said, I don't hold it against Floyd that he conceviably can't beat a great welter...its not his best weight, not even close. How about Duran at light weight?

billiebob the bltch seeking companionship in any available set of arms he can find

[Elroy The Great]

You're not very good at this...

your insignificance increases exponentially by the second. not a good look.