Sugar Ray Leonard beats Floyd Mayweather Jr.

[Juan Acero]

A prime Sugar Ray Leonard at 147, 150 or 154 would have beaten Floyd Mayweather Jr. handily. True or false?

For sure. Mayweather is beatable by an all time great like that

Floyd at 147 is not a great fighter hell he's not a "fighter" at all.
He was a defensive first counter styled boxer at 147. That in mind he will not fare well against great welters. Floyd was a high quality competitor at 130 not 147. He would barely break the top twenty at welter. Remember he only has 11 or 12 bouts at welter. His quality bouts at 147 were against out of prime men or men moving up to get paid!

I put a list up many times of welters that would destroy him, everyone saw what a club fighter like Marcos did to him just being aggressive along with Floyd not being able to hurt a real welter.

49-0 is a good record but his welter sheet reads 11-0 against who?

Ray

Leonard wins any way and anytime you please.

But Mayflower is undefefeated...

Leonard lost to an old fat lightweight brawler. Took a real beating to.

I mean homeboy got KTFO by Tommy Norris.

I thought records are a big deal.....

[Hawkins]

But Mayflower is undefefeated...

Leonard lost to an old fat lightweight brawler. Took a real beating to.

I mean homeboy got KTFO by Tommy Norris.

I thought records are a big deal.....

Not sure I know Tommy. Could he be related to Terry by any chance?

[billeau2]

ive recently made mince meat of most 'back in the day' guys resumes. not by opinion, but by fact;

by counting the number of opponents who had less than 10 wins and more than 20 losses (BEFORE their 50th fight !!!!)

by counting the number of ''debut'' guys an atg fights AFTER their 30th fight.

how many guys had losing records prior to fighting said ATG

etc, etc....

whoever thinks mays best weight is/was ww is not really a fight fan.

even still, NO ONE BELOW MW PULVERIZES MAY. not while may still has his vision.

to match him vs guys who spent their entire careers at/above ww is the cool thing to do, just so a fella can say ''would pulverize may''

may IS an ATG and ''non fans'' -slash- HATERS will just have to weep/make hypo fight threads declaring he will lose

Boy this post sounds familiar! Mince meat a favorite word, and written with a certain conceite... Elroy quit hiding you are not fooling anyone.

[Elroy The Great]

Boy this post sounds familiar! Mince meat a favorite word, and written with a certain conceite... Elroy quit hiding you are not fooling anyone.

[Juan Acero]

Not sure I know Tommy. Could he be related to Terry by any chance?

Yeah! That's what I said lol He fcuked Ray up, right?
And didn't some guy called Hector Comanche beat the hell out of him?

[Hawkins]

Yeah! That's what I said lol He fcuked Ray up, right?
And didn't some guy called Hector Comanche beat the hell out of him?

Yeah, sadly, Norris and Macho Camacho trashed a faded Ray Leonard.

[Juan Acero]

Yeah, sadly, Norris and Macho Camacho trashed a faded Ray Leonard.

Surely that is subjective??

I mean one could argue mayflower only beat "faded" guys
if they wanted to.....

[Hawkins]

Surely that is subjective??

I mean one could argue mayflower only beat "faded" guys
if they wanted to.....

That's not subjective. In the Norris fight the 'Sugar' was mostly gone and he was clearly way past it.

The Camacho fight was pretty much Camacho vs. a zombie Ray Leonard who was nowhere remotely close to even the version of himself that lost to Norris. It's probably safe to say that Terrible Terry destroyed the last of Sugar Ray Leonard. A very lopsided beating.

[Juan Acero]

That's not subjective. In the Norris fight the 'Sugar' was mostly gone and he was clearly way past it.

The Camacho fight was pretty much Camacho vs. a zombie Ray Leonard who was nowhere remotely close to even the version of himself that lost to Norris. It's probably safe to say that Terrible Terry destroyed the last of Sugar Ray Leonard. A very lopsided beating.

Not just this fighter....
I meant in a general sense....

look how mayflower is percieved. Imagine Ray ducked and cowered. Then retired undefeated. Without getting beaten up by the tommys and commanches of the world.


50 years from now. Who do you think they will say was teh better fighter? The undefeated guy who beat Marcianos record
or the cokehead who got ko by commanche and tommy nunn?

100 years from now??

What do you think? Honestly?
Speculate if you have to....

[Hawkins]

Not just this fighter....
I meant in a general sense....

look how mayflower is percieved. Imagine Ray ducked and cowered. Then retired undefeated. Without getting beaten up by the tommys and commanches of the world.


50 years from now. Who do you think they will say was teh better fighter? The undefeated guy who beat Marcianos record
or the cokehead who got ko by commanche and tommy nunn?

100 years from now??

What do you think? Honestly?
Speculate if you have to....

I don't think it will be a debate even then. Ray Leonard stepped up and challenged himself against legit fighters of all time great status. When great fighters fight other legit greats they sometimes lose. The losses don't matter as much as the comeback from said loss. Floyd never truly faced a prime, all time great so, in that regard, there is no comparison. Even a 1,000 years won't change that. I'm a Floyd fan but that's the reality.