Joe Louis vs Ali, Liston, Frazier, and Foreman?

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Don't need to post any words that can't alter the video ****** so you're comment doesn't even make sense, this looks horrible compared to why don't you find any midcard/top guys who fought like these guys in the 70s-'90s Any videos of that? Crazy person

Oh and trainers saw how novice like this was compared to the era's I named which is why they didn't let boxers leave the gym even if they did come in fighting like they did from this era cause it was to obsolete

Which trainers are you speaking of? Can you post links to them since you cannot post any from historians? I'd like to hear their take on this and how it jibes with yours. Surely you can show proof of this since you've made the claim, right?

[JAB5239]

They don't fight from range much; they leave themselves open a lot.
A lot of times, they will just throw themselves into the body and not protect themselves.
It
They use mostly counters when up close; the lateral movement is very basic; they don't seem to be able to punch from range while doing it smoothly; they have to stop then punch most of the time; and their feet are mostly tiptoeing.

And a lot of times they wait for the person to hit them, standing right in front of their opponent. They all had these or multiple of these flaws in this era because it was all they knew it was the style. "

They even a lot of times looked to seem like they getting ready to dodge as if a football player were ready to run and they looked off balance doing that the person usually didn't counter that they just got away with it, they did that cause they weren't always good at reading where the other person was moving to, on top of they had their hands low doing that

do you not see all these things in this match? cause I can easily

This is your opinion. An opinion that doesn't hold very much if any respect on this forum. I would like to see something from these trainers you say wouldn't let fighters fight like they use to. Which trainers are you speaking of? Surely one or two have spoken about this, no?

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This is your opinion. An opinion that doesn't hold very much if any respect on this forum. I would like to see something from these trainers you say wouldn't let fighters fight like they use to. Which trainers are you speaking of? Surely one or two have spoken about this, no?

They don't fight from range much; they leave themselves open a lot.
A lot of times, they will just throw themselves into the body and not protect themselves.
It
They use mostly counters when up close; the lateral movement is very basic; they don't seem to be able to punch from range while doing it smoothly; they have to stop then punch most of the time; and their feet are mostly tiptoeing.

And a lot of times they wait for the person to hit them, standing right in front of their opponent. They all had these or multiple of these flaws in this era because it was all they knew it was the style. "

They even a lot of times looked to seem like they getting ready to dodge as if a football player were ready to run and they looked off balance doing that the person usually didn't counter that they just got away with it, they did that cause they weren't always good at reading where the other person was moving to, on top of they had their hands low doing that

do you not see all these things in this match? cause I can easily

[JAB5239]

They don't fight from range much; they leave themselves open a lot.
A lot of times, they will just throw themselves into the body and not protect themselves.
It
They use mostly counters when up close; the lateral movement is very basic; they don't seem to be able to punch from range while doing it smoothly; they have to stop then punch most of the time; and their feet are mostly tiptoeing.

And a lot of times they wait for the person to hit them, standing right in front of their opponent. They all had these or multiple of these flaws in this era because it was all they knew it was the style. "

They even a lot of times looked to seem like they getting ready to dodge as if a football player were ready to run and they looked off balance doing that the person usually didn't counter that they just got away with it, they did that cause they weren't always good at reading where the other person was moving to, on top of they had their hands low doing that

do you not see all these things in this match? cause I can easily

Do you think repeating yourself proves your point? I would like you to linked to these trainers who don't teach fighters the way these to fight because you think it doesn't work. You made that statement didn't you? What trainers are you talking about, or did you just make that up?

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Do you think repeating yourself proves your point? I would like you to linked to these trainers who don't teach fighters the way these to fight because you think it doesn't work. You made that statement, didn't you? What trainers are you talking about, or did you just make that up?

Yup since you won’t answer means you know everything I said exist on video which is why you keep deflecting they look trash crazy idiot you can’t alter the video nothing you say matters


I don't need to link any words cause they can't alter the video ****** they can't make anybody in the Louis era by using words only fight any differently, they fought the way the video shows which looks novice-like compared to the 70s

Go ahead and use you're power and make them
Fight as advanced as guys in the 70s you crazy person

Want me to link another Match that will have all the same obsolete flaws as the 1 I linked

and no trainer has taught those exact styles you ****** person since that era cause it was obsolete it's a fact no one made pro fighting even in the mid-card with those styles in the 70s-90s,

so what are you talking about I think it doesn't work it doesn't and hasn't since the 30s-40s you have no fighter you can name who fought like any of those guys from the 30s-40s in 70s-90s

[JAB5239]

Yup since you won’t answer means you know everything I said exist on video which is why you keep deflecting they look trash crazy idiot you can’t alter the video nothing you say matters


I don't need to link any words cause they can't alter the video ****** they can't make anybody in the Louis era by using words only fight any differently, they fought the way the video shows which looks novice-like compared to the 70s

Go ahead and use you're power and make them
Fight as advanced as guys in the 70s you crazy person

Want me to link another Match that will have all the same obsolete flaws as the 1 I linked

and no trainer has taught those exact styles you ****** person since that era cause it was obsolete it's a fact no one made pro fighting even in the mid-card with those styles in the 70s-90s,

so what are you talking about I think it doesn't work it doesn't and hasn't since the 30s-40s you have no fighter you can name who fought like any of those guys from the 30s-40s in 70s-90s

But that is just YOUR opinion. My opinion differs greatly. On top of that I can provide links to trainers and historians that claim the exact opposite of what your OPINION is. You refuse to say what trainers stopped teaching these techniques after you flat out lied about it to suit your argument. Sorry, but that is pathetic.

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But that is just YOUR opinion. My opinion differs greatly. On top of that I can provide links to trainers and historians that claim the exact opposite of what your OPINION is. You refuse to say what trainers stopped teaching these techniques after you flat out lied about it to suit your argument. Sorry, but that is pathetic.

What is an opinion? I said no trainer let any fighter fight exactly as they did from the 30s-40s mid/top guys in the 70s-90s is that a lie if so name the fighters


What argument is it I have describing whats exactly on video? No that's not a opinion just cause you have bad vision

[JAB5239]

What is an opinion? I said no trainer let any fighter fight exactly as they did from the 30s-40s mid/top guys in the 70s-90s is that a lie if so name the fighters


What argument is it I have describing whats exactly on video? No that's not a opinion just cause you have bad vision

What trainers have said this. You're making the claim so it shouldn't be difficult to answer my question. You can't, because there are none. Ray Arcel, Eddie Futch, Manny Steward, Cus D'Amato and others have all been on record describing the decline in skills the older boxing has gotten. Joe Louis is still the greatest most technically sound heavyweight that ever lived. Benny Leonard one of the greatest most technically sound fighters ever. Gene Tunney, Barney Ross.....the list goes on and on.

[JAB5239]

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What trainers have said this. You're making the claim so it shouldn't be difficult to answer my question. You can't, because there are none. Ray Arcel, Eddie Futch, Manny Steward, Cus D'Amato and others have all been on record describing the decline in skills the older boxing has gotten. Joe Louis is still the greatest most technically sound heavyweight that ever lived. Benny Leonard one of the greatest most technically sound fighters ever. Gene Tunney, Barney Ross.....the list goes on and on.

What is an opinion? I said no trainer let any fighter fight exactly as they did from the 30s-40s mid/top guys in the 70s-90s is that a lie if so name the fighters


primo and a guy he fought any guys like this in 70s-90s? Who fought like these guys who were midcarders/top guys

What trainer has ever expressed this? It's an easy question, yet you seem to be stumped. Arguello fought very much like Joe Louis. Hopkins like Burley. Ali wanted to emulate SRR. Tyson fashioned himself after Dempsey. Of course no two fighters will be exactly the same, but to say a trainer wouldn't let a fighter from the "70's and 90's" fight like fighters from the 30's and 40's is ludicrous and unfounded. In other words a lie.

[JAB5239]

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They don't fight from range much; they leave themselves open a lot.
A lot of times, they will just throw themselves into the body and not protect themselves.
It
They use mostly counters when up close; the lateral movement is very basic; they don't seem to be able to punch from range while doing it smoothly; they have to stop then punch most of the time; and their feet are mostly tiptoeing.

And a lot of times they wait for the person to hit them, standing right in front of their opponent. They all had these or multiple of these flaws in this era because it was all they knew it was the style. "

They even a lot of times looked to seem like they getting ready to dodge as if a football player were ready to run and they looked off balance doing that the person usually didn't counter that they just got away with it, they did that cause they weren't always good at reading where the other person was moving to, on top of they had their hands low doing that

same flaws and tech as the joe match why?

You're repeating the same thing and offering no proof any trainer decidedly did not let a fighter fight like those of the 30's and 40's. I'll take that as you waiving the white flag. Especially after I've given you names of trainers who said fighters are not as technically sound nowadays and examples of fighters who fought like they did back then.