Rocky Marciano: Read this before smeone makes you look ****** with the facts!

[K-DOGG]

There are out and out racists who's motivations are apparent by what they say and do and how they react.

Then, there are those who are biased based on preconceived notions usually revolving around race and stereotyping...usually from outside influences either along those lines or from the other side of the equation which causes the person to push back with equally flawed logic of his own.

Butterfly, from what I've read of his posts, falls into the second category.

We are all prejudiced to one degree or another. Anyone who says otherwise is ignorant.

[Southpaw Stinger]

Anyone who says otherwise is ignorant.

And prejudiced!

[butterfly1964]

There are out and out racists who's motivations are apparent by what they say and do and how they react.

Then, there are those who are biased based on preconceived notions usually revolving around race and stereotyping...usually from outside influences either along those lines or from the other side of the equation which causes the person to push back with equally flawed logic of his own.

Butterfly, from what I've read of his posts, falls into the second category.

We are all prejudiced to one degree or another. Anyone who says otherwise is ignorant.

i just don't think marciano was as good as people say. i watch him fight and he seems crude to me. i don't think he would be able to fight like that and beat people like ali, liston, foreman, tyson, holmes, louis, lewis, holyfield, or even a guy like jack johnson.

[Southpaw Stinger]

ali, liston, foreman, tyson, holmes, louis, lewis,

I pretty much agree with this..

or even a guy like jack johnson.

But Marciano would kill Johnson.

[butterfly1964]

I pretty much agree with this..



But Marciano would kill Johnson.

marciano is too slow for johnson.

[Southpaw Stinger]

marciano is too slow for johnson.

They said he was too slow for anyone!

[butterfly1964]

They said he was too slow for anyone!

yeah, but johnson is really hard to hit. his defense is almost as good as joe louis'!

[SuzieQ49]

i just don't think marciano was as good as people say. i watch him fight and he seems crude to me. i don't think he would be able to fight like that and beat people like ali, liston, foreman, tyson, holmes, louis, lewis, holyfield, or even a guy like jack johnson.

marciano was incredibly effective with his own unique style. he was so ackward it worked to his advantage

[butterfly1964]

marciano was incredibly effective with his own unique style. he was so ackward it worked to his advantage

well then, it wouldn't work against ali cause he was awkward, too.

[Kid Achilles]

Joe Louis did not have an awesome defense. He wasn't hit all that much in his prime because he had what were probably the greatest offensive skills of any heavyweight. He was not as slick as Johnson, Charles or Joe Walcott. Have you even seen Louis fight? He was a stalker with very good reflexes but his defense is not what sticks out as his most outstanding characteristic. He was skilled defensively, he could parry shots and had good head movement, true, but he was not even close to one of the best defensive boxers of all time.

What made Louis great was his picture perfect execution of all of his punches, his handspeed, and brutal and very accurate punching power. If you had an opening in your defense, he would find it.

Butterfly you keep talking about Joe Louis's defense but have you ever seen the guy fight?