Steadfast opinions and Interests

[billeau2]

It matters not what it is labelled.

The term was not coined by me but by another realist on another site (Rusak, east side boxing, circa 2012/13)

It is a decent label as it readily conveys the mental incapacity of it's adherents and collectively groups together the many different facets like racism, nostalgism, nationalism, popularism, profiteering, indoctrination and ******ation that are all merely different aspects of the same phenomenon.

You can argue the toss about the said term all you want but it's really just a quick way to incorporate all those things under the same umbrella that everybody understands..

Instead of lengthy pointless discussions about WHY someone like yourself is an idiot, they can just point at you and say something like..

"Oh, you mean Scott? Isn't he one of those nut bags??"

And immediately you can be dismissed without any further ado over nothing.

It's a question of expediency!

Just think Elroy how much you could do for the cause if you just took the radio for a swim in the bathtub while it was plugged in! I actually think there would be a statistically relevant decrease in overall idiocy related to the sport! While your at it, take your butt body Sonny in for a soak at the same time and wow! Now we are seeing progress!

[billeau2]

Of the posts so far on this thread, i mostly agree with them all. Boxing is a subject/hobby were attitudes are hardened and no matter how much evidence, is put in front of someone, you can never change their attitude. Dwelling on something, along with time. Alters a person's opinion. Myself, 35yrs ago Marvin Hagler was my favourite fighter. 22yrs ago Lennox Lewis was my favourite fighter. But as you age and grow older with the sport, you also stop idolizing fighters. You look at your one time idols and kind of accept their pitfalls, those pitfalls that you knew of, but refused to accept years ago. You see them pitfalls as weaknesses, which need to be addressed and brought up, when that fighter is pitted against another fighter in a mythical match-up. As you grow older, you look on the sport differently. You accept all boxers as almost equal of each other. You appreciate their bravery, their guts and their dedication. Sorry to say, but Muhammad Ali was not the greatest. He was only the greatest in his own mind. Many boxers throughout history were just as great as Muhammad Ali, if not greater. Ezzard Charles, Sugar Ray Robinson, Floyd Mayweather, Manny Pacquiao, Roy Jones & Evander Holyfield to name but a few, all achieved just as much, if not more. But because of "DEEP ROOTED" opinions, it is difficult to put any fighter above Muhammad Ali on any boxing forum, because as Joeandthebums says, "Opinions are difficult to Alter".. Yet i myself have moved with the times, i no longer see Larry Holmes as the greatest, Marvin Hagler as the best middleweight since Sugar Ray Robinson. Lennox Lewis as my idol etc etc... As for Joes two questions:-

1/. i don't think i will ever be persuaded Lennox is a Top 10 ATG Heavyweight. He is just outside that elite 10.. What i don't need to be persuaded of with Lennox Lewis, is that he must have the hardest most powerful, right-hand in heavyweight history. A truly devastating punch which he never landed enough.

2/. The topic i would like to see addressed over the next twelve months. is " Trolling" and in particular Billeau2.. The guy has made over one hundred posts in a row, none to do with boxing, then all just Trolling... it has to be addressed or the forum will cease to exist.

This is a really good post Sonny. yeah I know you call me a troll but if you posted stuff like this more than call me whatever you like.

Ali is mythological because imo a couple of things. his circumstances. he really was an incredible activist. He was also an incredible fighter but as said, so were many others...

Ali also was an incredible underdog not once but at least twice...A few guys have done something like Douglas did to Tyson once, but Ali did this at least twice. That to me is incredible. I think this adds to Ali's greatness. But again, there were many fighters who were great and some were greater than Ali. I don't think of it this way though. To me you have great fighters and they are all great without always being greater, or less great than others. thats just me.

You might be interested to know btw that despite what you may think about my proclivity for lewis, I don't generally consider Lewis a top ten heavyweight. You can't get KO'ed twice like he did and be on that list imo. I respect Lewis for other reasons which I don't need to get into, its just worth noting that at the end of the day we may disagree less about lewis than you think.

[Elroy1]

Actually I think Sonnybox is onto something here.

As Sonny explained he doesn't feel LEnnox is a top 10 all time fighter and I strongly disagree there, but he has some reasoning to his philospophy here, some reasons more considerable than others.

But that moot point aside he has in my opinion displayed some great form of late, destroying the stubborn Corso myth and now he has exposed another of the sites ultimate trolls...

Billeau2!

Old "Wild Bill" here- 100 posts in a row.. Nothing boxing related- all merely attack posts.

A dark character with many skeletons in the closet no doubt...

It's about time the mods put a stop to this new breed of "Super-Trolls"

They are to BoxingScene like cult leaders.

Utter trash poster!

[Anthony342]

I rate Lewis outside of the top 10 as well. About 11-15 at heavy. I don't have any opinions that can't be changed with proper evidence.

As to having less trolling here, just get rid of Elroy, now that Juggy is on vacation and you're pretty well covered there.

[Bundana]

Concerning Joe's 2nd question... well, an interesting topic would be why so many "historians" believe, fighters from "back in the day" (even going back 100 years or more) were so much better than today's sorry bunch! Though I realize, a serious discussion about such a contentious issue is impossible on a forum like this!

[soul_survivor]

Concerning Joe's 2nd question... well, an interesting topic would be why so many "historians" believe, fighters from "back in the day" (even going back 100 years or more) were so much better than today's sorry bunch! Though I realize, a serious discussion about such a contentious issue is impossible on a forum like this!

Agreed, too many boxer fans and not enough boxing fans.

I personally don't talk about too many of the fighters from the early 20th century, as boxing was so different, news papers would give out their own personal decisions, no round limits or limits stretching to 20+ rounds, problems with weight and the rare footage we do have from the era show brawlers with limited defensive skills, although there are a handful of exceptions.

Keeping in line with footage, there's just so little available, that I'm only truly confident in talking, in depth, about skills of fighters from the 1930s on wards, possibly a few names from the 20s too.

In terms of this thread, great idea OP.

I personally would never budge on my opinion that Pacquiao is the greatest fighter of the 00s, with the best wins and most accomplishments. I know this is a very relevant topic on this forum lol

I will also never budge on the fact that Duran quit like a ***** against Leonard and I think I'd rate Leonard higher.

In the coming year, I'd like to see this forum move away from Pac/May and black/latin/east european fan boys/**** riders.

[joeandthebums]

Thanks for all the replies.

Despite a few tangents I enjoyed reading every response.


I look forward to any thread ideas that provide a platform for the generation, research, sharing and examination of information which hopefully creates interesting discussions, similar to the beginnings of Why todays era is better than past eras. Discussion.

[billeau2]

Actually I think Sonnybox is onto something here.

As Sonny explained he doesn't feel LEnnox is a top 10 all time fighter and I strongly disagree there, but he has some reasoning to his philospophy here, some reasons more considerable than others.

But that moot point aside he has in my opinion displayed some great form of late, destroying the stubborn Corso myth and now he has exposed another of the sites ultimate trolls...

Billeau2!

Old "Wild Bill" here- 100 posts in a row.. Nothing boxing related- all merely attack posts.

A dark character with many skeletons in the closet no doubt...

It's about time the mods put a stop to this new breed of "Super-Trolls"

They are to BoxingScene like cult leaders.

Utter trash poster!

:*******:

Even your boy juggy knows different, nice try to latch on but it won't work cause our posts are all here to read and anyone with half a brain can see your tripe.

You and you alone are nothing but a troll...now take the radio for a swim in the tub and make sure its plugged in.

[sonnyboyx2]

Agreed, too many boxer fans and not enough boxing fans.

I personally don't talk about too many of the fighters from the early 20th century, as boxing was so different, news papers would give out their own personal decisions, no round limits or limits stretching to 20+ rounds, problems with weight and the rare footage we do have from the era show brawlers with limited defensive skills, although there are a handful of exceptions.

Keeping in line with footage, there's just so little available, that I'm only truly confident in talking, in depth, about skills of fighters from the 1930s on wards, possibly a few names from the 20s too.

In terms of this thread, great idea OP.

I personally would never budge on my opinion that Pacquiao is the greatest fighter of the 00s, with the best wins and most accomplishments. I know this is a very relevant topic on this forum lol

I will also never budge on the fact that Duran quit like a ***** against Leonard and I think I'd rate Leonard higher.

In the coming year, I'd like to see this forum move away from Pac/May and black/latin/east european fan boys/**** riders.

You need to go back and check that order :blow.

Your Duran comment?... so we are ignoring facts, that Duran weighed 190lb only 6 weeks before fight-night?..

Your above comments posted here on the history section, are actually written by you to be posted on Non-Stop Boxing section. So overall another nonsensical post from you.

[Scott9945]

You need to go back and check that order :blow.

Your Duran comment?... so we are ignoring facts, that Duran weighed 190lb only 6 weeks before fight-night?..

Your above comments posted here on the history section, are actually written by you to be posted on Non-Stop Boxing section. So overall another nonsensical post from you.

That doesn't change the fact that Duran quit like a dog. It wasn't Leonard's fault that he didn't train like a professional. Of course you always have a handy excuse to justify anything to fit your agenda.