Ali vs Wilt

[joeandthebums]

Wilt Chamberlain, if he had went ahead and fought Muhammad Ali, would have made more money in that one fight, than he would make in his entire career playing basketball.

Not correct.

Chamberlain original take for the 1971 contest would of been $500,000.

He later demanded $1.8 million, which was the reason behind the contest falling through.

From 1967-1972 Chamberlain yearly salary was $250,000 and in 1973 it was $600,000.

Total salary from 1967 to 1973 equals $2.1 million.

Chamberlain was on a salary from 1958, so this figure could increase if we looked further.

[Elroy1]

oh hes number one im convinced but ray just a dope who likes to bring personal B.s into it at least dopey sonny doesn't do that so its neck and neck...lol...



Yea I lost the bet that's my my pic in avatar..oh well...klitchko still number one in my eyes we will see.....

Unbelievable ey, can't believe Tyson Fury was the one. I didn't take him seriously LOL.

I wonder if this will really be a change of an era if Wlad retires or whether he'll exercise his rematch clause and win a comeback?

Question is though, can he win one now?

Maybe Wlad has gotten old now. That's 2 questionable showings in a row.

Either way though I have heard someone trying to say Fury is the GOAT now based on defeating the champ.

It was the greatest possible single victory for sure but it'll take atleast another decade of dominance over top contenders to be considered alongside Wladimir for THAT title.

Even if Wlad retires or is defeated again now I doubt we'll be seeing another career like that for around 100 years or so.

But top marks to Fury for dethroning a legend.

He just pulled the biggest upset in sports history since TYson/Douglas!

[Elroy1]

Not correct.

Chamberlain original take for the 1971 contest would of been $500,000.

He later demanded $1.8 million, which was the reason behind the contest falling through.

From 1967-1972 Chamberlain yearly salary was $250,000 and in 1973 it was $600,000.

Total salary from 1967 to 1973 equals $2.1 million.

Chamberlain was on a salary from 1958, so this figure could increase if we looked further.

Well this sounds far more plausible to me than the "timber" story

[juggernaut666]

Unbelievable ey, can't believe Tyson Fury was the one. I didn't take him seriously LOL.

I wonder if this will really be a change of an era if Wlad retires or whether he'll exercise his rematch clause and win a comeback?

Question is though, can he win one now?

Maybe Wlad has gotten old now. That's 2 questionable showings in a row.

Either way though I have heard someone trying to say Fury is the GOAT now based on defeating the champ.

It was the greatest possible single victory for sure but it'll take atleast another decade of dominance over top contenders to be considered alongside Wladimir for THAT title.

Even if Wlad retires or is defeated again now I doubt we'll be seeing another career like that for around 100 years or so.

But top marks to Fury for dethroning a legend.

He just pulled the biggest upset in sports history since TYson/Douglas!

Well I was referring to sonny as the number "ONE" imbecile on here....but correct fury right now is number one...on one fight however...Wlad needs a rematch to have me convinced ...his punch out put was terrible.


Joshua may be something special..he seems like Lewis/Tyson rolled into one.If Wlad wins a rematch he should leave however hes lost his decade loss,i thought it may be Joshua.....story book ending come back defeat Fury call it a day.

[Elroy1]

Well I was referring to sonny as the number "ONE" imbecile on here....but correct fury right now is number one...on one fight however...Wlad needs a rematch to have me convinced ...his punch out put was terrible.


Joshua may be something special..he seems like Lewis/Tyson rolled into one.If Wlad wins a rematch he should leave however hes lost his decade loss,i thought it may be Joshua.....story book ending come back defeat Fury call it a day.

I agree, I'm hearing already over at NSB that Wladimir wants the rematch.

If he manages to pull it off and reclaim the belts, he should definitely retire.

He is now on the slide, I'm convinced. 38 seems to be the plataeu for boxers these days. Staying on after Fury will only lead to further defeats.

This is the most stacked division I have ever seen tbh with everywhere from the top 1-40 filled with opponents who are atleast dangerous.

Nothing lasts forever, time ravages all mountains.

The question is, CAN he at 40 pull it together enough to beat the 6'9" 250lb slick and fast Fury?

An open question.

I still think a younger Klitschko of even a year ago probably could have taken Fury but that's merely speculative opinion now.

[juggernaut666]

I agree, I'm hearing already over at NSB that Wladimir wants the rematch.

If he manages to pull it off and reclaim the belts, he should definitely retire.

He is now on the slide, I'm convinced. 38 seems to be the plataeu for boxers these days. Staying on after Fury will only lead to further defeats.

This is the most stacked division I have ever seen tbh with everywhere from the top 1-40 filled with opponents who are atleast dangerous.

Nothing lasts forever, time ravages all mountains.

The question is, CAN he at 40 pull it together enough to beat the 6'9" 250lb slick and fast Fury?

An open question.

I still think a younger Klitschko of even a year ago probably could have taken Fury but that's merely speculative opinion now.

well had he fought the first round like the last round tonight I think he gets the W...what always bothered me was Wlads cornermen having to plead with him to start fighting...had I been in his coprner rest assured I would be down his neck in about 3 rounds in....hes that type of fighter that needs a shove unfortunately maybe he realizes that now.....

As the age well he has many miles on him,though still physically better than fury I believe so im not going to go there yet,hes still capable of a incredible fight night I believe.We will see.

[Elroy1]

well had he fought the first round like the last round tonight I think he gets the W...what always bothered me was Wlads cornermen having to plead with him to start fighting...had I been in his coprner rest assured I would be down his neck in about 3 rounds in....hes that type of fighter that needs a shove unfortunately maybe he realizes that now.....

As the age well he has many miles on him,though still physically better than fury I believe so im not going to go there yet,hes still capable of a incredible fight night I believe.We will see.

I would like to think so. I hope so.

He dropped the ball tonight that's for sure.

[joeandthebums]

I don't usually comment on fights so recent, (NSB was there for?) - but as you brought it into this thread.

Klitschko age cannot cover the fact he had zero ability or concept of how to fight on the inside.

Previously his inside game involved initiating clinches and using his weight to tire his opponent out. Effective against a smaller opponent and when the referee allows it.

Unless Klitschko is willingly to go back to school I would expect Fury to win again in a rematch, I would say more convincingly, but other than stopping Klitschko - which I thought was likely last night - Fury is not the one who needs to do anything different.

[Elroy1]

I don't usually comment on fights so recent, (NSB was there for?) - but as you brought it into this thread.

Klitschko age cannot cover the fact he had zero ability or concept of how to fight on the inside.

Previously his inside game involved initiating clinches and using his weight to tire his opponent out. Effective against a smaller opponent and when the referee allows it.

Unless Klitschko is willingly to go back to school I would expect Fury to win again in a rematch, I would say more convincingly, but other than stopping Klitschko - which I thought was likely last night - Fury is not the one who needs to do anything different.

I agree Fury did the right thing.

Actually you are right insofar as to say that Fury beat him on the inside and out. Hence he won.

However I believe Wlad's superior strength could have still initiated clinches on Fury. Maybe.

Even moreso Wlad could have outboxed him on the outside thus negating inside game altogether.

Wlad seemed to lack the whole lot tonight and Fury didn't.

Was it because Wlad was showing age? I think so, but maybe you are right, maybe Fury was and was always better.

However I feel that an earlier Wlad would have been that much sharper to reach Fury on the outer and even tie him up more effectively on the inner.

I think it's a question of reactions Joe, tonights Wlad was lethargic and it cost him.

I respect that you believe it's an exposed style type thing, your within bounds thinking that. I think there's no problem with the WK style it's more it was executed with sloth like incompetence tonight.

Please don't think I am claiming that Wladimir Klitschko defeated himself! I think Tyson Fury deserves full credit for what he did and has propelled him straight to the top of my list now in terms of current H2H.

On the rematch- you may well be right. Fury will be favourite for me next fight, although I will have it basically even money this time round. I didn't see Wladimir get especially schooled. It left me with the feeling he gave only about 20% of himself. Like he himself didn't even take Fury seriously.

[joeandthebums]

However I believe Wlad's superior strength could have still initiated clinches on Fury. Maybe.

Klitschko should of been punching in those clinches, but that it not something he has needed to do in the past, as an alternative to plan A.

I imagine he was told in his corner - just he didn't have it in his skill set (muscle memory).

When placed in difficult (losing) circumstances people do not attempt something new - hence why he kept to well established and familiar plan A despite it being wrong approach.

I respect that you believe it's an exposed style type thing, your within bounds thinking that. I think there's no problem with the WK style it's more it was executed with sloth like incompetence tonight.

I agree, Klitschko style (plan A) is excellent, were it not, he would not of strung together so many title defenses - but against an opponent of a similar size where he was required to change from that style - he was unable to.

It bring us back to the original thread topic.

If Chamberlain spent an unspecific amount of months exclusively training for a single opponent, Muhammad Ali, could he defeat him? Theoretical yes.

Say he does and continues to box, his next opponent is George Foreman, from the base of his training, acquired skillset and previous strategy - could he do it?