Are all modern fighters bigger?

[Elroy1]

Having boxed doesn't mean you can expose anything at all, really you step into a gym and you suddenly become some kind of know it all ?, ridiculous, the first time I seen you talk about the technical side of a boxer and his strong suite and it was absolute horse ****, I question it and you completely ignore my post, is that you exposing me after your hours spent in the ring ?.

Your arguments have been little more than bait which I've no wish to bite on, the content of which is nothing but handwavable material.

I boxed for a long time, learned under some great trainers, and have helped train an amateur boxer to the national finals and several to the regionals but I'm not swinging my **** around telling people what is what because it means absolutely nothing in here, nothing at all.

False. Nobody of such credentials could be so naive and backward with regards to boxing. I'm afraid your suffering from "Corso syndrome" here.

That's just a drawn out way of saying the Haye fought scared and was looking for a big punch.

Please indicate what you would have done differently to "increase" the chances of victory? I'd say Haye maximised his chances.

[Scott9945]

Sonnyboy may have been the " FIBBER " of this forum ,you are certainly the " TWISTER'!

Before you call people names, why don't you tell us again how Joe Frazier was hurt in the last round and lucky to go the distance in the Bonavena rematch? Youtube proved that to be 100% false, as Joe easily went the distance and won the last round. If you need me to I can repost the video.

[NChristo]

Your arguments have been little more than bait which I've no wish to bite on, the content of which is nothing but handwavable material.


False. Nobody of such credentials could be so naive and backward with regards to boxing. I'm afraid your suffering from "Corso syndrome" here.




Please indicate what you would have done differently to "increase" the chances of victory? I'd say Haye maximised his chances.

It clearly wasn't bait, you said something and I questioned it, I'm going to assume handwaving material means that you don't know how to respond too it ?. Bait would be 99% of what you post, I'm just tired of rinsing through it and don't really like to put people on ignore so thought I'd question you on it too see if you'd respond with something legitimate for once. Nope.

He could of actually put in an more of an effort, increased his output and instead of just looking for the one big punch he could of at least tried to win rounds by keeping busy, maybe delayed the fight if the toe really was such a big issue for him ?, I mean that was his excuse for why he put in such a poor performance right ?, he admitted to not doing all he could. He would of still lost regardless, like I said Haye was just outclassed in there.


That's me

Here's one lad I used to train / trained with

There's a video of his 1st fight on my youtube channel, this one he was 9-2 I think.

And I uploaded this one just for you sweetheart, 1 of the lad I helped train / trained with in his Semi Finals bout


Norton and McGuinness in the corner for all the fights, my old trainers, can't box anymore myself because I'm ****in diseased, Tietze's Syndrome, not ''Corso Sydrome''.


Again none of this means anything in here, I've studied the sport since I was able too and use what I know here to learn from other people and debate with them, not put them in their place or to pretend to be above them because I've been in the ring before, I guarantee there's plenty of people who have never been to a gym who could put my knowledge of the sport to shame and I actually love that.

Didn't have to prove anything but it's always good to learn about the people you're speaking too on here, just posted these for the sake of that I guess.

[MRBOOMER]

The fighters today seem to be more ripped up and focused on there athletic prowess more so then skills and technique. Idk about heavy weights they've gotten bigger no doubt but so many of them are fat af it doesn't really count. If they were in good shape I'm sure they'd be in the 215-230's which sounds about right for a heavy weight.

[juggernaut666]

Before you call people names, why don't you tell us again how Joe Frazier was hurt in the last round and lucky to go the distance in the Bonavena rematch? Youtube proved that to be 100% false, as Joe easily went the distance and won the last round. If you need me to I can repost the video.

apparently I don't have to call you anything you did that yourself with above comment.....^^^^^^^^^^:haha
Repost what,?more importantly why? When I have never commented on a Frazier/bonevena fight video that I recall??????


Another "TWIST"...yes that is your new name,lets throw in meaningless B.s or off course the topic or just change it altogether when proven wrong! Whats next the spell check angle?

[Elroy1]

Before you call people names, why don't you tell us again how Joe Frazier was hurt in the last round and lucky to go the distance in the Bonavena rematch? Youtube proved that to be 100% false, as Joe easily went the distance and won the last round. If you need me to I can repost the video.

Rather than get bogged down with simple errors, why not just acknowledge that Frazier was badly hurt and nearly lost the fight at one point.

Also why not acknowledge that Frazier and Bonavena would not be considered decent opposition to speak of today (and that Frazier would never be granted a boxing licence in general)??

You never look at the big picture, but would rather focus on moot points.

[juggernaut666]

Rather than get bogged down with simple errors, why not just acknowledge that Frazier was badly hurt and nearly lost the fight at one point.

Also why not acknowledge that Frazier and Bonavena would not be considered decent opposition to speak of today (and that Frazier would never be granted a boxing licence in general)??

You never look at the big picture, but would rather focus on moot points.

What does scotts post have to do with the thread anyway,as USUAL! I didn't know this was a Frazier thread?

[Elroy1]

The fighters today seem to be more ripped up and focused on there athletic prowess more so then skills and technique. Idk about heavy weights they've gotten bigger no doubt but so many of them are fat af it doesn't really count. If they were in good shape I'm sure they'd be in the 215-230's which sounds about right for a heavy weight.

http://img.spokeo.com/public/900-600/samuel_peter_2007_10_04.jpg

Samuel "Fat boy" Peter.. Surely a natural 215lber only grossly obese..

Here is what we call a "TINY" HW today...

http://tomaszadamek.eu/upload/images/tomasz-adamek-vs-travis-waker-007.jpg

Yet this Adamek at 220lbs is more ripped AND larger than ANY HW pre-80's worth mentioning, even George Foreman AND more skilled to boot.

THAT'S how much the division has changed.

What today we question as being relevant would THEN have been considered to be an unfair advantage and cause to raise the HW limit.

[Elroy1]

It clearly wasn't bait, you said something and I questioned it, I'm going to assume handwaving material means that you don't know how to respond too it ?. Bait would be 99% of what you post, I'm just tired of rinsing through it and don't really like to put people on ignore so thought I'd question you on it too see if you'd respond with something legitimate for once. Nope.

He could of actually put in an more of an effort, increased his output and instead of just looking for the one big punch he could of at least tried to win rounds by keeping busy, maybe delayed the fight if the toe really was such a big issue for him ?, I mean that was his excuse for why he put in such a poor performance right ?, he admitted to not doing all he could. He would of still lost regardless, like I said Haye was just outclassed in there.


That's me

Here's one lad I used to train / trained with

There's a video of his 2nd fight on my youtube channel, this one he was 9-2 I think.

And I uploaded this one just for you sweetheart, 1 of the lad I helped train / trained with in his Semi Finals bout


Norton and McGuinness in the corner for all the fights, my old trainers, can't box anymore myself because I'm ****in diseased, Tietze's Syndrome, not ''Corso Sydrome''.


Again none of this means anything in here, I've studied the sport since I was able too and use what I know here to learn from other people and debate with them, not put them in their place or to pretend to be above them because I've been in the ring before, I guarantee there's plenty of people who have never been to a gym who could put my knowledge of the sport to shame and I actually love that.

Didn't have to prove anything but it's always good to learn about the people you're speaking too on here, just posted these for the sake of that I guess.

You could put up any crap on here and I wouldn't know the difference if were you or not.

I think a stronger case against you comes from your very perceptions on boxing. It is impossible for any free thinking and intelligent person, one who is versed in the sport to actually have such opinions. I can understand an AGENDA for racial, national or nostalgic purposes etc, but not for REAL. That is how I can filter BS from truth w/o knowing anything else about you!

As for Haye- so your simply relying on his own words that he could do better and having a laugh about his toe, and claiming he was outclassed.

Well I put it to you he was not outclassed as such, simply out ranged and overpowered. The guy delivered reflexes never before seen in a HW fight that night and it is not dominance when someone else is continually missing the target also.

The American perception of a good boxing style is literally based around running away, popularised most by Ali and in it's most recent incarnation championed by Mayweather, yet David Haye, who spends the majority of his time on the edge, not even really back tracking is slammed as fighting scared.

Basically he is just not an idiot and doesn't get hit on purpose as opposed to past favourites. That style just can't cut it today since the punches are too hard for that (like Wlad's).

[Scott9945]

What does scotts post have to do with the thread anyway,as USUAL! I didn't know this was a Frazier thread?

You got caught in a lie so of course you want to dismiss it as off topic.