Are all modern fighters bigger?

[Weltschmerz]

People are bigger, taller. It's called evolution.

[Elroy1]

Let's have a look at a picture of a "ripped" "ATG" "HEAVYWEIGHT"...

http://www.quotationof.com/images/floyd-patterson-4.jpg

Case closed!

Pre-professional era boxers were utter trash in every department, especially bloody body composition and conditioning! Geez! LOL

[Scott9945]

Let's have a look at a picture of a "ripped" "ATG" "HEAVYWEIGHT"...

http://www.quotationof.com/images/floyd-patterson-4.jpg

Case closed!

Pre-professional era boxers were utter trash in every department, especially bloody body composition and conditioning! Geez! LOL

Where in this long thread did anyone call Patterson "ripped" or an "ATG"?

[soul_survivor]

People are bigger, taller. It's called evolution.

Are welterweights bigger now?

Are middleweights bigger now?

[NChristo]

People are bigger, taller. It's called evolution.

Agreed, our biology has changed drastically compared too 20 - 50 years ago, what people don't realize is that human evolution happens over decades.

[billeau2]

these threads appear over and over again. People costantly confuse bad science and standard deviation with a trend.

Bad science makes people believe that there is some fundamental change in human physiology...bad reasoning ability makes people believe that there is a trend towards BETTER heavyweight fighters being BIGGER, when no such trend exists.

Here is a trend: In MMA up until the early ninties or so, a fighter could be a champion having mastered Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. After the advent of fighters, orginally from the Lions Den in San Jose California showed how learning fundamentals of kick boxing, Thai boxing (there is a difference), wrestling, and jiu Jitsu would allow a fighter to challenge brazilian hegemony in the sport. Shortly thereafter it became apparent that no champion calibre fighter could rely exclusively upon Jiu Jitsu in the ring. This TREND is born out by tracing the training of every champ since that seminal championship: none are purely Jiu Jitsu stylists. Also, corresponding with this development there have been fewer and fewer Jiu Jitsu specialists in the UFC.

Also, during this time, other MMA champions, such as Fedor, whom some say remains the best technical MMA fighter ever so far, trained extensively in Sambo (Russian Judo) and boxing. Also, during this time was another seminal event that occured under the radar, so to speak...when KImo using nothing but brute force and a will of iron, basically took the technically superb Helio Gracie all the way to exhaustion, in a losing effort that never the less made it apparent that there were weaknesses in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu that could be exploited by good old fashioned resolve.

Now that folks IS A TREND! You have antecedents that caused changes... you have seminal events that demonstrated possabilities that were not considered before the event...and you can now look and see that there are no MMA fighters who enter the professional ranks, as an exclusive stylist in any one martial art...most guys learn specific arts that are designed to function in the ring as maximally effective.

You simply won't find this trend in boxing. There is no shortage of smaller heavyweights that are succesful, there are champions that are bigger, or fall within the average size of a heavyweight, etc.

[Elroy1]

Bill the entire premise of your post, as always it fully refuted in the first paragraph.

The trend completely infers that size of people AND boxing athletes at all levels has gone up and up over time. Undeniably, it's numerical.

And the trends also undeniably suggest that the greater the size difference, the greater the chance of winning a boxing match, without any recourse to skill level necessary.

This is a peculiar conclusion.. It exists, BEYOND THE SCOPE OF WHAT NUTBAGGERY CAN EXPLAIN!

You see "Total Quality Assessment" or "MP Theory" has a full proof explaination for everything that has transpired and might transpire in boxing from a probabalistic perspective...

The Old Time Nut Bag community on the other hand has NEVER SUCCEEDED in foormulating a coherent theory for how such outrageous opinions can possi bly arise. How do you explain that??

[Weltschmerz]

Are welterweights bigger now?

Are middleweights bigger now?

I would say slightly. But it's a bit of comparison, knowing we used to have just 8 divisions, and for instance middleweights competing all up to heavy at points in history. The fact remains that people in the civilized world evidently increased in size over the past 100 years, with general evolution, and especially better nutrition, health care, environment etc.

[billeau2]

Bill the entire premise of your post, as always it fully refuted in the first paragraph.

The trend completely infers that size of people AND boxing athletes at all levels has gone up and up over time. Undeniably, it's numerical.

And the trends also undeniably suggest that the greater the size difference, the greater the chance of winning a boxing match, without any recourse to skill level necessary.

This is a peculiar conclusion.. It exists, BEYOND THE SCOPE OF WHAT NUTBAGGERY CAN EXPLAIN!

You see "Total Quality Assessment" or "MP Theory" has a full proof explaination for everything that has transpired and might transpire in boxing from a probabalistic perspective...

The Old Time Nut Bag community on the other hand has NEVER SUCCEEDED in foormulating a coherent theory for how such outrageous opinions can possi bly arise. How do you explain that??

You are not taken seriously. YOu have not presented any proof whatsoever, you did the equivalent of the following

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNkjDuSVXiE

This is your technique. Your amusing at best, but the adults are up now.

[soul_survivor]

I would say slightly. But it's a bit of comparison, knowing we used to have just 8 divisions, and for instance middleweights competing all up to heavy at points in history. The fact remains that people in the civilized world evidently increased in size over the past 100 years, with general evolution, and especially better nutrition, health care, environment etc.

Is a 5'8'' Floyd Mayweather bigger than a 5'10'' Ray Leonard?