Are all modern fighters bigger?

[juggernaut666]

Try asking legitimate boxing people what makes sense. You WISH to believe that Lionel Butler and Alex Leapai were anything better than second rate heavyweights, so...

When you step up level of competition are you going to train more or less? If you are fighting for a huge payday are you fighting in between that fight and risking losing or stay in an extended training camp for a specific opponent ? If you are fighting once a month in todays boxing ,guess what? The competition is not all that great!

Fighting more frequently doesnt allow longer camps due to time constrains ,according to you fighters have to train longer if they dont fight as much to brush off ring rust ........ no they train longer because it is their job to be the best they can which in general is a 2 or 3 month traing camp.......

I am a legit boxing person ,we all know this ! Remember you are the one who cannot grasp the concept of why training camps are longer today ,it doesnt get any simpler than that! I even provided boxing for dummies questions above since my very reasonable and factual post on why longer training camps are necessary today are needed ,flew over your head !

[Scott9945]

When you step up level of competition are you going to train more or less? If you are fighting for a huge payday are you fighting in between that fight and risking losing or stay in an extended training camp for a specific opponent ? If you are fighting once a month in todays boxing ,guess what? The competition is not all that great!

Fighting more frequently doesnt allow longer camps due to time constrains ,according to you fighters have to train longer if they dont fight as much to brush off ring rust ........ no they train longer because it is their job to be the best they can which in general is a 2 or 3 month traing camp.......

I am a legit boxing person ,we all know this ! Remember you are the one who cannot grasp the concept of why training camps are longer today ,it doesnt get any simpler than that! I even provided boxing for dummies questions above since my very reasonable and factual post on why longer training camps are necessary today are needed ,flew over your head !

You keep making something simple more complicated. I never said anything about stepping up in competition. A major part of training is conditioning. Fighting often keeps you in better fighting condition. Ray Robinson fought LaMotta three weeks apart. Did he have a training camp in between? No, he had another 10 round fight in between. Obviously boxing is a different business these days.

When I asked for expert opinions, sorry, but you weren't what I had in mind. Your responses aren't the final word on anything to me.

[juggernaut666]

You keep making something simple more complicated. I never said anything about stepping up in competition. A major part of training is conditioning. Fighting often keeps you in better fighting condition. Ray Robinson fought LaMotta three weeks apart. Did he have a training camp in between? No, he had another 10 round fight in between. Obviously boxing is a different business these days.

When I asked for expert opinions, sorry, but you weren't what I had in mind. Your responses aren't the final word on anything to me.

Sonnyboy may have been the " FIBBER " of this forum ,you are certainly the " TWISTER'!

[NChristo]

Foreman running 3 miles a day isnt overly much ,about 5 miles is .He MAY have run 10 but every day with his body type and 240 plus its unlikely ,running is an art ,running 10 ml a day ?I dont see it. What i do think is Foremans overall training with weights and strong Man lifting is what made him harder to fight .He was physical much more of a menace in his comeback than anyone that fought the 70's Foreman .This is bc he was at least 30 pounds heavier ,thru less punches and had more stamina in not wasting punches .He is an example of a super HWi was reffering to.


Finding balance of weight /speed /stamina /power is not all that easy ,i would take Haye for example great speed and power .What didnt he have to combat Wlad? Size was the missing ingredient there....now take a lesser fighter like giant Wach who did better against him ...why ?Size mainly ,even being a punching bag he was able to give himself a chance and actually stunned Wlad with a huge right hand in the 5th.

Fighters losing weight is not always an advantage ,some like Jennings /Povetkin are a small percentage now , get a guy like Joshua huge athletic well you have the second coming of a Lewis /Klitchko....then you have the Arreola who are just average compared to the top guys and probably needs the extra weight to fight better im assuming he cuts weight as it is,i think hes also around 6'4.

The missing ingredient in the Wlad - Haye fight was a decent game plan and skill, not his size, he fought scared for the whole fight and got outclassed by the better man, that's it, he tried looking for the 1 big punch and couldn't find it, Wach did better because he was more willing to takes risks, there so much more too your analogy then just size vs size, one could say an ancient Holyfield put in a better effort against Valuev then Haye did for the exact same reason.

Fighters losing weight is obviously not always an advantage but getting bigger for the hope that weighing more is going to give you more of a chance is silly.

[NChristo]

Nobody hiding in this section has ever boxed.. We know that

You'd be surprised, you're someone that clearly never has though given your take on what is technical and what isn't, plus if you had boxed you would see that size isn't the be all end all.

[Elroy1]

You'd be surprised, you're someone that clearly never has though given your take on what is technical and what isn't, plus if you had boxed you would see that size isn't the be all end all.

It's because I've boxed that allows me to so easily expose such nonsensical arguments as endured here... Nobody who has can hold such opinions as presented, it's impossible.

And you will never find a single one of my near 6000 posts that posit that size is the be and end all of boxing.

[Elroy1]

The Haye vs Wlad fight was one of the highest level technical affairs in modern boxing.

Haye did fight overly conservative (scared is a silly term). And that cost him the fight. It also ensured he would not get knocked out. In fact there was a higher chance of Haye getting KOed that of him winning, which he wisely understood.

Wlad ALSO fought very guardedly against Haye however- and we can say with some safety that the size difference and utilisation of it is pretty much what told the tale here...

BOTH guys offered elite skills and Haye came with a gameplan that was quite interesting. He hung right on the edge, looking to capitalise on a dart in and out big right the whole fight, believing that if he could survive and do this the whole fight he might only need to get lucky once or twice to turn the tide. Obviously he was wrong and the strategy failed. But such is the problem when you are fighting a guy who'se entire style is based around shutting down his opponents style.

Wlad vs Haye was a rather EVEN fight accuracy wise with Haye just throwing less than Wlad, who being length and weight wise more comfortable, could afford to! Not many make Wlad miss so much.

[juggernaut666]

The Haye vs Wlad fight was one of the highest level technical affairs in modern boxing.

Haye did fight overly conservative (scared is a silly term). And that cost him the fight. It also ensured he would not get knocked out. In fact there was a higher chance of Haye getting KOed that of him winning, which he wisely understood.

Wlad ALSO fought very guardedly against Haye however- and we can say with some safety that the size difference and utilisation of it is pretty much what told the tale here...

BOTH guys offered elite skills and Haye came with a gameplan that was quite interesting. He hung right on the edge, looking to capitalise on a dart in and out big right the whole fight, believing that if he could survive and do this the whole fight he might only need to get lucky once or twice to turn the tide. Obviously he was wrong and the strategy failed. But such is the problem when you are fighting a guy who'se entire style is based around shutting down his opponents style.

Wlad vs Haye was a rather EVEN fight accuracy wise with Haye just throwing less than Wlad, who being length and weight wise more comfortable, could afford to! Not many make Wlad miss so much.

Haye did all he could and that was run,had he stayed in range in a fight that Wlad is purposely going for a k.o it would have been a short night for him .Size was the key factor here.......Haye wasnt doing ANYTHING at 210 pounds vs that pissed off 6'6 giant ,thats comic book stuff right there.

[NChristo]

It's because I've boxed that allows me to so easily expose such nonsensical arguments as endured here... Nobody who has can hold such opinions as presented, it's impossible.

And you will never find a single one of my near 6000 posts that posit that size is the be and end all of boxing.

Having boxed doesn't mean you can expose anything at all, really you step into a gym and you suddenly become some kind of know it all ?, ridiculous, the first time I seen you talk about the technical side of a boxer and his strong suite and it was absolute horse ****, I question it and you completely ignore my post, is that you exposing me after your hours spent in the ring ?.

I boxed for a long time, learned under some great trainers, and have helped train an amateur boxer to the national finals and several to the regionals but I'm not swinging my **** around telling people what is what because it means absolutely nothing in here, nothing at all.

BOTH guys offered elite skills and Haye came with a gameplan that was quite interesting. He hung right on the edge, looking to capitalise on a dart in and out big right the whole fight, believing that if he could survive and do this the whole fight he might only need to get lucky once or twice to turn the tide. Obviously he was wrong and the strategy failed. But such is the problem when you are fighting a guy who'se entire style is based around shutting down his opponents style.

That's just a drawn out way of saying the Haye fought scared and was looking for a big punch.

[juggernaut666]

The missing ingredient in the Wlad - Haye fight was a decent game plan and skill, not his size, he fought scared for the whole fight and got outclassed by the better man, that's it, he tried looking for the 1 big punch and couldn't find it, Wach did better because he was more willing to takes risks, there so much more too your analogy then just size vs size, one could say an ancient Holyfield put in a better effort against Valuev then Haye did for the exact same reason.

Fighters losing weight is obviously not always an advantage but getting bigger for the hope that weighing more is going to give you more of a chance is silly.

Haye did not have the chin to take risks ....260 Wach did.....size!

Holyfields chin > Hayes chin