Are all modern fighters bigger?

[billeau2]

I'm confused...

FIRST: Boxers are fatter than ever today...

[Truth exposed]

NEXT: Oh they drank beer, it was genetic, it's the chemcals, insert some other excuse.

Think it's time to accept reality.

You create these nostrums, you then site nonsense regarding physiology....When all you really have to do is watch tape. You can see the use of techniques, you can see how many punches were/are thrown, and you can see application. Its quite obvious that a guy like Areola, or peter, did not have the tools, the conditioning, nor the ability of a guy like Frazier for example.

It has nothing to do with modern versus old time either...For example, I along with Juggy at times have maintained that Razor Ruddock was better than people give him credit for. to make that point instead of talking about 'facts" I can show you how Razor, during the Tyson fight, was effective inside and using his weight against Tyson to set up his punches. i can make the point that at this distance RR uses both hands vis a vis the uppercut and left.

When have you ever presented any such proof of your absurd nostrums? You haven't. SHOW me how a cruiser...cant even remember his name was the equal of a guy like Holyfield, by showing details, specifics...you won't cause you can't Elroy. These details don't exist Elroy thats the problem.

[Elroy1]

You create these nostrums, you then site nonsense regarding physiology....When all you really have to do is watch tape. You can see the use of techniques, you can see how many punches were/are thrown, and you can see application. Its quite obvious that a guy like Areola, or peter, did not have the tools, the conditioning, nor the ability of a guy like Frazier for example.

It has nothing to do with modern versus old time either...For example, I along with Juggy at times have maintained that Razor Ruddock was better than people give him credit for. to make that point instead of talking about 'facts" I can show you how Razor, during the Tyson fight, was effective inside and using his weight against Tyson to set up his punches. i can make the point that at this distance RR uses both hands vis a vis the uppercut and left.

When have you ever presented any such proof of your absurd nostrums? You haven't. SHOW me how a cruiser...cant even remember his name was the equal of a guy like Holyfield, by showing details, specifics...you won't cause you can't Elroy. These details don't exist Elroy thats the problem.

Peter is a Super-Frazier, simply better in every way imaginable than Joe.

Arreola technically blows Frazier out of the water..

In fact, prior to the 80's, no fighter as technically good as Arreola ever existed...

Ken Norton for instance, who beat Ali 3 times to nothing in reality, was nothing more than a piss weak, poor mans version of Seth Mitchell, who Arreola annihilated in 1 round!

You are free to your opinion but facts are facts mate.

[Scott9945]

Peter is a Super-Frazier, simply better in every way imaginable than Joe.

Arreola technically blows Frazier out of the water..

In fact, prior to the 80's, no fighter as technically good as Arreola ever existed...

Ken Norton for instance, who beat Ali 3 times to nothing in reality, was nothing more than a piss weak, poor mans version of Seth Mitchell, who Arreola annihilated in 1 round!

You are free to your opinion but facts are facts mate.

We just got rid of Sonny, and now you're back?

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Peter is a Super-Frazier, simply better in every way imaginable than Joe.

Arreola technically blows Frazier out of the water..

In fact, prior to the 80's, no fighter as technically good as Arreola ever existed...

Ken Norton for instance, who beat Ali 3 times to nothing in reality, was nothing more than a piss weak, poor mans version of Seth Mitchell, who Arreola annihilated in 1 round!

You are free to your opinion but facts are facts mate.

Most ******ed post ever...

[LacedUp]

Even then, it's just untrue anyway.

If you took the top ten guys from today and the top ten guys from the 60's or whatever, the 60's guys would, in general, be trimmer, leaner and in better shape all around than today's guys I think. The only difference seems to be the general weight of today's heavies.

There just happen to be a few exceptions that get on the roids and bulk up.

Also, it simply comes down to the change to the way todays weigh in is done. Nothing more. They get more time to put weight back on so it goes without saying that they are going to weigh more. Nothing to do with training, nutrition or any other factors. If you gave an extra day for people to bulk up again after the weigh in back in the 50's, the exact same thing would happen. Guys would start coming in at 170-175 for middleweight fights, 160 for welterweight fights etc etc etc.

The mere fact of today's heavyweights is that they don't put in the miles on the road. Very few heavyweights run anymore. They just do weights and sparring, which is why many aren't very lean and generally have bad stamina.

You just don't see a 12 round active heavyweight nowadays. most look absolutely exhausted after going 4 rounds at a moderate pace.

[Elroy1]

The mere fact of today's heavyweights is that they don't put in the miles on the road. Very few heavyweights run anymore. They just do weights and sparring, which is why many aren't very lean and generally have bad stamina.

You just don't see a 12 round active heavyweight nowadays. most look absolutely exhausted after going 4 rounds at a moderate pace.

Obviously your post is nearly completely handwavable like the others except you did bring up an interesting piece of information...

That boxers don't put in the long hard miles anymore which is true, especially at HW.

This is of course however because it has been learned now that such training methods were far from optimal with resect to all boxers and in fact detrimental for a HW. Those that do run still do so in short interval bursts of course.

Ironically though the sprints+weight type training produces a far leaner+stockier body type than the run all day style of olden days boxers which is why todays boxers are far healthier looking than yesteryear.

Again, there were always chubby boxers for reasons outlined.

The only difference now is that there are TRAINED chubby boxers (like Arreola) as opposed to UNTRAINED chubby boxers (like Frazier, Ali and MAthis)

[Anthony342]

Obviously your post is nearly completely handwavable like the others except you did bring up an interesting piece of information...

That boxers don't put in the long hard miles anymore which is true, especially at HW.

This is of course however because it has been learned now that such training methods were far from optimal with resect to all boxers and in fact detrimental for a HW. Those that do run still do so in short interval bursts of course.

Ironically though the sprints+weight type training produces a far leaner+stockier body type than the run all day style of olden days boxers which is why todays boxers are far healthier looking than yesteryear.

Again, there were always chubby boxers for reasons outlined.

The only difference now is that there are TRAINED chubby boxers (like Arreola) as opposed to UNTRAINED chubby boxers (like Frazier, Ali and MAthis)

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[NChristo]

Obviously your post is nearly completely handwavable like the others except you did bring up an interesting piece of information...

That boxers don't put in the long hard miles anymore which is true, especially at HW.

You're so full of ****in ****, there's plenty of boxers today who put in long miles, Roy Jones used to do 8 miles a day, Paul Williams did an unbelievable amount of running, Eubank did 6 miles a day, Mayweather does 5-8 miles, Pacquaio does 5-6 mile runs up hills, Bradley does 8-12 miles a day but you know sprinting short distances with ankle weights definitely produces a leaner boxer because your knowledge of boxing and training knows no bounds and Bradley isn't lean or healthy looking at all, be it everyone's training changes periodically (And always has, except in the olden days because they didn't know how too sprint back then, right ?) but let's ignore that as well and just focus on whatever you think is right.

These are just the first off a quick google search, do you put any thought into your posts or just spew out **** as it comes off the dome ?, get out of the history section already.

Edit: Especially at HW ?, it took literally 2 seconds to find out that Wlad doesn't run at all and only swims, your hero doesn't benefit from sprinting at all because he doesn't do it, I'm assuming swimming is one of these new technological advances in the sport and old timers never used too be able to do it.

[VG_Addict]

OK Elroy, you say that Peter and Arreola are better technically than any HW before the 80s. Tell us what they do that makes them have better technique. Give us a breakdown.

[juggernaut666]

You're so full of ****in ****, there's plenty of boxers today who put in long miles, Roy Jones used to do 8 miles a day, Paul Williams did an unbelievable amount of running, Eubank did 6 miles a day, Mayweather does 5-8 miles, Pacquaio does 5-6 mile runs up hills, Bradley does 8-12 miles a day but you know sprinting short distances with ankle weights definitely produces a leaner boxer because your knowledge of boxing and training knows no bounds and Bradley isn't lean or healthy looking at all, be it everyone's training changes periodically (And always has, except in the olden days because they didn't know how too sprint back then, right ?) but let's ignore that as well and just focus on whatever you think is right.

These are just the first off a quick google search, do you put any thought into your posts or just spew out **** as it comes off the dome ?, get out of the history section already.

Edit: Especially at HW ?, it took literally 2 seconds to find out that Wlad doesn't at all and only swims, your hero doesn't benefit from sprinting at all because he doesn't do it, I'm assuming swimming is one of these new technological advances in the sport and old timers never used too be able to do it.

Most of your post has little to do with HW's.

Swimming is not new either ,its the most effective way to train for overall cardio,working lungs and all muscles .


Boxers are much heavier today ,running or not they are going to stay for the most part big ,Foreman in his youth was not much of a runner either and only weighed mainly around 220 and did the minimal required which led to his known stamina issues at times . I dont think todays HW is lazy ,they more or less train to fight at a steady pace these guys weigh 240 plus and are not built to throw a high punch count ,this does not make them lazy ,it makes them smart .i think most on this thread are still in the 200 pound HW era and are looking at punch counts ,its not like that anymore .Klitchko throws MANY punches for a big HWwith good footwork ,always moving and positioning and thats about as good as it gets in this era ,the only super HW's of his size with his work rate other than Vitali ,wouldve been Fury and Carnera but he wasnt a power puncher and was unrefined.

Ali was able to have great stamina because he was naturally light ,at 200 /215 he was light on his feet and easier to throw faster,he also did cardio in pools and run .Ones ability to take a punch later in a fight is almost always where your stamina is at ,Ali dragging his opposition in later rounds new this ,he was ahead of his time in the 60's not many boxers were doing much but running , i remember seeing Ali doing bicycal sit ups in a vid and the press was flawed,simple things kids did in 2nd grade back then were looked at as high tech .I can assure you one thing todays HW 's are training in much more physical methods now weights,cross training,heavier bags , ..does this add up to being more fit vs alot of running /chopping wood /throwing rocks? You have to be stronger to carry 230 plus pounds for an entire fight . I would say it adds up to be a more effective Super HW,