Are all modern fighters bigger?

[juggernaut666]

LOL I just love it when folk get real selective, I note you didn't mention any of the incredible fit fighters and incredible ripped like Basilio and Gavilan. If these wankers of today are so "ripped" why is it that they struggle to go just a wee 12 rounds ???? I have seen countless fighters today who tire easily....... end of.

Who is struggling?

[Elroy1]

One can look at a sample of succesful boxers. the heavyweight ranks particularly because it is an open division. One can see who has become champions, who is succesful. for one thing we would expect that during times of better strength there would be no crusiers entering the division, we would expect to see all succesful heavyweights being bigger...no such occurance of either. Your statements are simply false, thats a fact. There is no indication that more weight has produced more succesful heavyweight fighters.

You are confusing success, with averages. Sure, thousands of Gracie only sytlists could enter MMA, but the proof of success is in what fighters are succesful and succesful fighters, virtually all of them in the MMA are trained in all disciplines. You just can't admit it Elroy, thats ok... So someone who is not particularly bright see Valuev as indicative...but indicative or what? David haye and John Ruiz, both average to small heavies beat Valuev (whatever the judges said). I am talking about success, and the trend towards success and no boxing trainer is going to tell a fighter like haye for example: "you need more weight to be succesful." YOu gots to learn to think

Nah you totally lied or are misinformed.

As time has moved forward, there is a less and less proportion of cruisers.

In the days of Ali for example it was a half half split of actual cruisers and 3/4 of them being former cruisers

Today there are NO actual cruisers and only a very few, like 15% former cruisers and maybe 2 or 3 boxers who are competitive at top level.

In the past the CHAMPS were former or actual cruisers or lower!

Once again, byou cornered yourself and have been exposed as a complete fool!

[Anthony342]

Except for the ones that fight in the cruiserweight division.

[Elroy1]

Except for the ones that fight in the cruiserweight division.

Yeah, which brings up a very important point too...

The entire reason that the cruiser division was developed was to PROTECT the smaller fighters from the ever growing size of the boxers in the unlimited division.

It was NOT to isolate the "fatties" who couldn't be bothered bloody training! LOL

As an intersting aside, the nut bags like yourself took a hard whack on the chin after your discovery that HW boxing partricipation was at a historical high (which is obvious to all non-nut-bags)..

But what most don't consider is that when comparing to pre-professional times, it's even WORSE for the nut bags because to assess participation fairly you'd have to compare past-eras heavyweight to modern eras heavy AND cruiser combined! As they were then the same!

The nut bag community, from Loaded Wraps, to Billeau to Anthony and many many more, have sunk to an all time low lately.

To quote a few of the most intelligent men to ever live with my own little twist...


It is almost as if the nut bag community has suffered some self-inflicting brain surgery, lobotomising itself... Elroy and Carl Sagan.

The nut bag mythology, is one of the most persistent and powerful myths ever devised, and it serves as the soil from which other myths can flourish... Elroy and Peter Joseph.

LOL

[LacedUp]

Yeah, which brings up a very important point too...

The entire reason that the cruiser division was developed was to PROTECT the smaller fighters from the ever growing size of the boxers in the unlimited division.

It was NOT to isolate the "fatties" who couldn't be bothered bloody training! LOL

As an intersting aside, the nut bags like yourself took a hard whack on the chin after your discovery that HW boxing partricipation was at a historical high (which is obvious to all non-nut-bags)..

But what most don't consider is that when comparing to pre-professional times, it's even WORSE for the nut bags because to assess participation fairly you'd have to compare past-eras heavyweight to modern eras heavy AND cruiser combined! As they were then the same!

The nut bag community, from Loaded Wraps, to Billeau to Anthony and many many more, have sunk to an all time low lately.

To quote a few of the most intelligent men to ever live with my own little twist...


It is almost as if the nut bag community has suffered some self-inflicting brain surgery, lobotomising itself... Elroy and Carl Sagan.

The nut bag mythology, is one of the most persistent and powerful myths ever devised, and it serves as the soil from which other myths can flourish... Elroy and Peter Joseph.

LOL

It wasn't for money issues, that's for sure! People were also scared of 154 lbers meeting 160 lbers, and 130lbers meeting 135lbers.

It was to protect the fighter! Not make extra money.

#logic

[Elroy1]

It wasn't for money issues, that's for sure! People were also scared of 154 lbers meeting 160 lbers, and 130lbers meeting 135lbers.

It was to protect the fighter! Not make extra money.

#logic

Agreed.

I liked you better when you act dumber LOL

[billeau2]

Nah you totally lied or are misinformed.

As time has moved forward, there is a less and less proportion of cruisers.

In the days of Ali for example it was a half half split of actual cruisers and 3/4 of them being former cruisers

Today there are NO actual cruisers and only a very few, like 15% former cruisers and maybe 2 or 3 boxers who are competitive at top level.

In the past the CHAMPS were former or actual cruisers or lower!

Once again, byou cornered yourself and have been exposed as a complete fool!

You throw out nonsense and then disparage....There are still cruisers who become succesful....Haye, the guy you think is as good as holyfield....your an idiot you just contradicted yourself. And supply the proof of what you are saying ok? can't do it though can you idiot?

[billeau2]

Yeah, which brings up a very important point too...

The entire reason that the cruiser division was developed was to PROTECT the smaller fighters from the ever growing size of the boxers in the unlimited division.

It was NOT to isolate the "fatties" who couldn't be bothered bloody training! LOL

As an intersting aside, the nut bags like yourself took a hard whack on the chin after your discovery that HW boxing partricipation was at a historical high (which is obvious to all non-nut-bags)..

But what most don't consider is that when comparing to pre-professional times, it's even WORSE for the nut bags because to assess participation fairly you'd have to compare past-eras heavyweight to modern eras heavy AND cruiser combined! As they were then the same!

The nut bag community, from Loaded Wraps, to Billeau to Anthony and many many more, have sunk to an all time low lately.

To quote a few of the most intelligent men to ever live with my own little twist...


It is almost as if the nut bag community has suffered some self-inflicting brain surgery, lobotomising itself... Elroy and Carl Sagan.

The nut bag mythology, is one of the most persistent and powerful myths ever devised, and it serves as the soil from which other myths can flourish... Elroy and Peter Joseph.

LOL

What proof of this idiotic theory do you have Elroy? Your a flat earther through and through. Does it LOOK that way to you? guess that makes it so? Cruisers have always come up when the division is weak. Foster and guys like Spinks were so good they came up eve when the champ was very good...that does not mean that this division exists exlusively for this purpose you idiot.

[RED REP]

Oh WELL DONE buddy!

You basically select one of the most ripped competitors of the 80's and compare them to a slightly chubby competitor of the 00's and simply declare that a representative example.

Let's now look at the absolute facts...

1. Athletes get better and better from generation to generation because of more evolved training modes, greater talent pool and so on on average and the most athletic heavies today are more athletic than ANY boxer of the 80's.

2. Your logic regarding chubbiness as an indicator of conditioning is false because you can be exceptionally conditioned whilst maintaining chub and you can be out of condition whilst looking ripped.

3. Your logic is even further contrived by the fact that heavyweight boxing follows a different law for what constitutes the optimal bodytype from limit weight boxers who definitely do need to be ripped. Investigation leads to the conclusion that the optimal bodyweight for a HW may actually be slightly chubby!! And this is exactly why HW is and always has been about half/half ripped to chubby boxers, because that's what the sieve of competition shows us.

4. There are just as many fat boxers in any era. The only difference now is that they are heavier in both muscle and fat!

And to illustrate using your logic...

David Haye

http://topnews.in/sports/files/david-haye_2.jpg

Tony Tubbs (on right)

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/4HxkowX-w4c/hqdefault.jpg

Case closed!

Greater talent pool?

Just STOP. You absolute idiot!

[Anthony342]

Yeah, which brings up a very important point too...

The entire reason that the cruiser division was developed was to PROTECT the smaller fighters from the ever growing size of the boxers in the unlimited division.

It was NOT to isolate the "fatties" who couldn't be bothered bloody training! LOL

As an intersting aside, the nut bags like yourself took a hard whack on the chin after your discovery that HW boxing partricipation was at a historical high (which is obvious to all non-nut-bags)..

But what most don't consider is that when comparing to pre-professional times, it's even WORSE for the nut bags because to assess participation fairly you'd have to compare past-eras heavyweight to modern eras heavy AND cruiser combined! As they were then the same!

The nut bag community, from Loaded Wraps, to Billeau to Anthony and many many more, have sunk to an all time low lately.

To quote a few of the most intelligent men to ever live with my own little twist...


It is almost as if the nut bag community has suffered some self-inflicting brain surgery, lobotomising itself... Elroy and Carl Sagan.

The nut bag mythology, is one of the most persistent and powerful myths ever devised, and it serves as the soil from which other myths can flourish... Elroy and Peter Joseph.

LOL

Well if that's not the pot calling the kettle black. Sounds like you're a member of the douchebag community. Say hi to Sonny for us while you're there.