Rid**** Bowe or Vitali Klitschko. Who ranks higher?

[Weltschmerz]

Thats true... Interesting aside Bowe has opened a restaurant in the hood and they did an expose on him, I think it was the New York Times
and the author was somewhat shocked at how many people were trying to hit him up...One incident in particular: a lady comes up to him saying she was his baby sitter and asking him for cash. She then curses him out when he refuses. Apparently when succesful particularly, Bowe had the weight of the world upon him. He was constantly handing out payola and it was never enough.

I think this influenced him considerably....this was not a guy who could leave the world behind and concentrate on business. I am a New yorker and know that Bowe's area of Brooklyn was a really impoverished area (right near Tyson's area actually) and one can only imagine what Big Daddy Bowe had to deal with.

These guys came from nothing, he obviously had to work hard getting up, I know that... The Klitschko's came from poverty too as kids, yet they were later more privileged.

[boxingnut712]

I am not sure we will know how great Rid**** Bowe could have been if he could have beaten his greatest enemy the refrigerator. Bowe absorbed close to 600 punches in two fights with Golota, but managed to win both those fights. Throw in his trilogy with Evander Holyfield, and that is better then anything Vitali Klitschko ever done. Still for some reason I seem to want to give a slight edge to Vitali.

Klitschko's greatest moment was losing to Lennox Lewis whom trained poorly, and was suppose to fight Kirk Johnson until Johnson got hurt, and Vitali subbed in on 10 days notice. Chris Byrd made this guy quit ( Well technically is was a separated shoulder, but that did not stop Larry Holmes against Ken Norton ). Still I want to give a slight edge to Vitali.

Maybe it is because somewhere in my mind I think Vitali would have laid waste to Evander Holyfield, and Andrew Golota had they ever fought.

[Elroy1]

1 year off from this part so I don't want to get bogged down in the endless flame war, so I'll just add my bit right...

Rid**** is one of my favourite fighters of all time, I rate him h2h in my top brass although some later fighters of less success may have been able to take him, or not. Resume is thinner than that of Tyson, Holyfield, Lewis and the Klitschko's but is still much greater than most HW's. His numerical record in itself is pretty mentionworthy.

As for opponents, his 2 main great opponents were Golota and Holyfield. Holyfield is rated as the pinnacle, who was about on par with Adamek really in reality. The only reason Holyfield is considered better than Adamek by such an unrealistic degree is because of the American marketing machine and the active inflation of Holyfield's opponents against the active deflation of Adameks opponents for reasons of nostalgia, racism, nationalism etc.

Golota demonstrated that Bowe was in trouble against bigger men with technical skill, of which Vitali had more size, more chin, more skill and speed and the right stuff in the head which neither Golota or Bowe had.

Bowe didn't face many big hitters either. Hide and Holyfield had fair whacks of course but nothing to trouble a big giant like Bowe with a solid chin in terms of a shock KO. Vitali was not a really big hitter overall for his size but he was substantially stronger than Bowe's opponents.

Vitali and Bowe would have a great fight for certain with Bowe being a live dog for sure. He was good, but Vitali wouldn't lose to Bowe, if he struggled with Holyfield and Golota, Vitali would paste him

Vitali UD Bowe- I see Bowe putting up a good fight always but never actually winning. Bowe can always survive Vitali though imo.

Vitali's resume is actually one of the better resumes of HW boxing of all time to date. Of course it is. How many other boxers really had that?

Granted it isn't as good as Wladimir's or Lennox's overall but most of the rubbished top Vitali opponents were some of the heftiest opponents on record sporting the best records of any boxers. Certainly much better than Rid**** Bowe's.

[Ray Corso]

Still going on & on & on..................
Vitali does NOTHING better than Bowe, his opponents may have been ranked but their rank..................get it, they stink! Being ranked in a garbage era means very little. Look at Wlads opponents who were undefeated ranked men. They were spoon fed opponents who were protected all througfh their careers. (sort of like Mayweather opponents)
Vitali is a big strong tough guy with some skills but being tough is his main attribute. He does nothing better than Bowe, if anyone knows anything about the sport you can except the differences.
Also when comparing "fantasy" bouts you have to consider the men at their "best" not their begining or ending or their worst...their best!
Bowe by tko in 10!

Ray.

[billeau2]

1 year off from this part so I don't want to get bogged down in the endless flame war, so I'll just add my bit right...

Rid**** is one of my favourite fighters of all time, I rate him h2h in my top brass although some later fighters of less success may have been able to take him, or not. Resume is thinner than that of Tyson, Holyfield, Lewis and the Klitschko's but is still much greater than most HW's. His numerical record in itself is pretty mentionworthy.

As for opponents, his 2 main great opponents were Golota and Holyfield. Holyfield is rated as the pinnacle, who was about on par with Adamek really in reality. The only reason Holyfield is considered better than Adamek by such an unrealistic degree is because of the American marketing machine and the active inflation of Holyfield's opponents against the active deflation of Adameks opponents for reasons of nostalgia, racism, nationalism etc.

Golota demonstrated that Bowe was in trouble against bigger men with technical skill, of which Vitali had more size, more chin, more skill and speed and the right stuff in the head which neither Golota or Bowe had.

Bowe didn't face many big hitters either. Hide and Holyfield had fair whacks of course but nothing to trouble a big giant like Bowe with a solid chin in terms of a shock KO. Vitali was not a really big hitter overall for his size but he was substantially stronger than Bowe's opponents.

Vitali and Bowe would have a great fight for certain with Bowe being a live dog for sure. He was good, but Vitali wouldn't lose to Bowe, if he struggled with Holyfield and Golota, Vitali would paste him

Vitali UD Bowe- I see Bowe putting up a good fight always but never actually winning. Bowe can always survive Vitali though imo.

Vitali's resume is actually one of the better resumes of HW boxing of all time to date. Of course it is. How many other boxers really had that?

Granted it isn't as good as Wladimir's or Lennox's overall but most of the rubbished top Vitali opponents were some of the heftiest opponents on record sporting the best records of any boxers. Certainly much better than Rid**** Bowe's.

There he is! my favorite nutcase. Get anyone to hold the bag for you yet Elroy?

[ShoulderRoll]

As for opponents, his 2 main great opponents were Golota and Holyfield. Holyfield is rated as the pinnacle, who was about on par with Adamek really in reality. The only reason Holyfield is considered better than Adamek by such an unrealistic degree is because of the American marketing machine and the active inflation of Holyfield's opponents against the active deflation of Adameks opponents for reasons of nostalgia, racism, nationalism etc.

Wow. You should get another year off from this section if you really believe that.

Or you're just trolling which has no place in this subforum. In which case you'd be deserving of another year off anyway.

[Scott9945]

Vitali's resume is actually one of the better resumes of HW boxing of all time to date. Of course it is. How many other boxers really had that?

[juggernaut666]

1 year off from this part so I don't want to get bogged down in the endless flame war, so I'll just add my bit right...

Rid**** is one of my favourite fighters of all time, I rate him h2h in my top brass although some later fighters of less success may have been able to take him, or not. Resume is thinner than that of Tyson, Holyfield, Lewis and the Klitschko's but is still much greater than most HW's. His numerical record in itself is pretty mentionworthy.

As for opponents, his 2 main great opponents were Golota and Holyfield. Holyfield is rated as the pinnacle, who was about on par with Adamek really in reality. The only reason Holyfield is considered better than Adamek by such an unrealistic degree is because of the American marketing machine and the active inflation of Holyfield's opponents against the active deflation of Adameks opponents for reasons of nostalgia, racism, nationalism etc.

Golota demonstrated that Bowe was in trouble against bigger men with technical skill, of which Vitali had more size, more chin, more skill and speed and the right stuff in the head which neither Golota or Bowe had.

Bowe didn't face many big hitters either. Hide and Holyfield had fair whacks of course but nothing to trouble a big giant like Bowe with a solid chin in terms of a shock KO. Vitali was not a really big hitter overall for his size but he was substantially stronger than Bowe's opponents.

Vitali and Bowe would have a great fight for certain with Bowe being a live dog for sure. He was good, but Vitali wouldn't lose to Bowe, if he struggled with Holyfield and Golota, Vitali would paste him

Vitali UD Bowe- I see Bowe putting up a good fight always but never actually winning. Bowe can always survive Vitali though imo.

Vitali's resume is actually one of the better resumes of HW boxing of all time to date. Of course it is. How many other boxers really had that?

Granted it isn't as good as Wladimir's or Lennox's overall but most of the rubbished top Vitali opponents were some of the heftiest opponents on record sporting the best records of any boxers. Certainly much better than Rid**** Bowe's.

I think the big differance is Vitali doesnt go out of his way to K.O his opposition , hes kind of like "you have to try and beat me" type fighter .Briggs had stated Vitali hit harder than Foreman,so the power is definitely there moreso than Bowe . On the thread topic ,you simply cannot say Bowe has a better resume with less title defenses ,weak overall opposition that has two DQ's on it thart he lucked out on ,its not happening and i believe some who voted Bowe after reading ALL the input here would see why.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Vitali's resume sucks..

Bowe's isn't great but for a year he was "THE MAN". Vitali was never that,,, 2 wins over holyfield trump anything vitali did.
And holyfield and 96 Golata are better than anyone votali ever fought, and Bowe fought them a total of 5 fights..

But head 2 head, vitali would take bowe's soul

[Elroy1]

I think the big differance is Vitali doesnt go out of his way to K.O his opposition , hes kind of like "you have to try and beat me" type fighter .Briggs had stated Vitali hit harder than Foreman,so the power is definitely there moreso than Bowe . On the thread topic ,you simply cannot say Bowe has a better resume with less title defenses ,weak overall opposition that has two DQ's on it thart he lucked out on ,its not happening and i believe some who voted Bowe after reading ALL the input here would see why.

Yes I can't see how anybody could defend Bowe's resume over Vitali's.

Likewise notions such as Corso's and cronies are simply handwavium.

I didn't know Briggs said that. From the looks of some of Vitali's punches when he sits down on them I could certainly swallow that. Foreman's punches seem to more screw with opponents equilibrium due to their push nature and enormous bulk behind them by comparison.

Taking a position that Golota was better than Bowe is certainly defendable.

As for the cases against Vitali's opponents, well A quick viewing of say the Kirk Johnson fight- a 260lber of rather better speed and cadence than Bowe, reveals how the baseless rubbishing of upper eschelon boxers is not only nullified, but reversed.

I noticed some mockery of my Holyfield/Adamek comparison above also. Suffice to say it's been done before- and very little concrete evidence can be supplied for a Holyfield superiority.

Of course when we remember how Holyfield represents pretty much the very best of American heavyweight boxing efforts to date- we can see a different explanation to the establishments position.