which middleweight could

[PitbullParsons]

ok Sonny, we'll make sure to never add humor to this forum again

Ray is right, at 160 I don't think Toney and Jones aren't even at their prime. That being said I think Jones could potentially win but I'd put the odds at about 20% and Toney around 10%

[sonnyboyx2]

...........Are you claiming Roy Jones Jr. and James Toney were never middleweight champion of the world????

Not at all, their very good boxers and have accomplished alot. However I think Hagler is better at the 160 limit. Nothing personal to James or Roy as opposed to you who seem to enjoy "hating" Hagler. Can't imagine why anyone would hate any fighter unless its actually personal.
Hagler was always in shape and always gave a good account of himself.
He fought fairly often for his period and has one of the better records for a Middleweight. If you don't think so thats ok by me, I don't have any reason to hate Hagler or any other fighter. Some I have high respect for and others not so much but theres no room for hate in sports. More of a like .....dislike!

Ray

"hating" Hagler???? .. maybe you can explain!

Having an opinion is not hating, Hagler i agree was always in shape and always gave a good account of himself. He fought fairly often for that period and has one of the better records for a Middleweight. Again i agree... However i have gave my opinion on how i feel Hagler would fare against a list of other former middleweight champions. Yet you call my opinion "hating"...

I don't hate any boxer, i don't know any former professional boxers personally. So how can i "hate them"...?

But because my opinion does not tally with your opinion, you are labeling me as someone who has a "hate" for the boxer in question. ffs

I have followed Marvin Hagler's career since before he fought Kevin Finnigan back in 1978 and know all about the guy... i have dozens of his fights along with dozens of articles on him. He was a tremendous competitor, Do i feel he could defeat Roy Jones Jr. or James Toney at 160lbs - definitely Not.

Do i think Marvin Hagler could beat any of the middleweight champions i listed above - definitely Not.

Ray - How if i labeled you the "hater" of Roy Jones & James Toney for not agreeing with me??? ....Your problem Ray, is you cannot debate mate. You post your piece here on the subject and believe your opinion is "Carved in Stone not for debate"... Well your wrong my friend. Anyone with one iota of boxing knowledge would bet their right arm, Roy Jones would murder Hagler at 160lbs...

Could Hagler beat John Ruiz?
Could Hagler beat Evander Holyfield like James Toney did?

[billeau2]

Lol did Hagler **** your wife or something

You do realize what you are implying considering the feelings Sonny has for Lewis don't you?

[billeau2]

"hating" Hagler???? .. maybe you can explain!

Having an opinion is not hating, Hagler i agree was always in shape and always gave a good account of himself. He fought fairly often for that period and has one of the better records for a Middleweight. Again i agree... However i have gave my opinion on how i feel Hagler would fare against a list of other former middleweight champions. Yet you call my opinion "hating"...

I don't hate any boxer, i don't know any former professional boxers personally. So how can i "hate them"...?

But because my opinion does not tally with your opinion, you are labeling me as someone who has a "hate" for the boxer in question. ffs

I have followed Marvin Hagler's career since before he fought Kevin Finnigan back in 1978 and know all about the guy... i have dozens of his fights along with dozens of articles on him. He was a tremendous competitor, Do i feel he could defeat Roy Jones Jr. or James Toney at 160lbs - definitely Not.

Do i think Marvin Hagler could beat any of the middleweight champions i listed above - definitely Not.

Ray - How if i labeled you the "hater" of Roy Jones & James Toney for not agreeing with me??? ....Your problem Ray, is you cannot debate mate. You post your piece here on the subject and believe your opinion is "Carved in Stone not for debate"... Well your wrong my friend. Anyone with one iota of boxing knowledge would bet their right arm, Roy Jones would murder Hagler at 160lbs...

Could Hagler beat John Ruiz?
Could Hagler beat Evander Holyfield like James Toney did?

I can see Toney or jones being a good fight for hagler actually...But not because Jones fought Ruiz. Problem for Toney is that Hagler walks through his counters and outworks him inside, BUT I could see Toney landing some big punches and hagler had a chin....It could be interesting.

Jones is really interesting because one of these guys (hagler or Jones) has to really be beat sylistically by the other to win...there is no middle ground here! Either Jones catches Hagler all over the place or hagler gets past Jones' speed and beats him up and we know Jones is susceptable to that. jone's chin would be a relative weakness but hagler could look like Toney if he couldn't press through...so yeah I see your point.

[Anthony342]

Lol did Hagler **** your wife or something

Yep Hagler ****** his wife and Lennox Lewis took his lunch money.

[sonnyboyx2]

Yep Hagler ****** his wife and Lennox Lewis took his lunch money.

i ****** haglers wife while him and lennox watched

[sonnyboyx2]

I can see Toney or jones being a good fight for hagler actually...But not because Jones fought Ruiz. Problem for Toney is that Hagler walks through his counters and outworks him inside, BUT I could see Toney landing some big punches and hagler had a chin....It could be interesting.

Jones is really interesting because one of these guys (hagler or Jones) has to really be beat sylistically by the other to win...there is no middle ground here! Either Jones catches Hagler all over the place or hagler gets past Jones' speed and beats him up and we know Jones is susceptable to that. jone's chin would be a relative weakness but hagler could look like Toney if he couldn't press through...so yeah I see your point.

Tommy Hearns broke his famous right-hand in the opening round against Hagler. Take away the Hearns victory from Haglers resume and what we have left is a majority verdict win over former Lightweight Champion Roberto Duran... Haglers resume is "piss-poor". he beat -up on smaller weight fighters and journeymen. Sugar Ray Leonard having only his 2nd bout in over 5yrs and first in nearly 3yrs kicked Marvin's butt... Just imagine what Roy Jones Jr. would do to him.. Roy is ten times faster than Ray Leonard, in fact Roy is proberbly the fastest fighter ever. skillwise Roy is proberbly the most skillfull fighter ever... Knock out punch? Roy poleaxed opponents with his power. Roy lifted opponents off their feet with his left-hook.. Bottom line Roy destroys Hagler.

When Roy Jones won the middleweight championship of the world, many historians and fight fans were talking of Roy Jones as possibly the greatest fighter who ever lived..Roy went 15yrs undefeated.

[The Old LefHook]

Sonny, your math work is impeccable. Thanks for helping the less fortunate understand that the punches of Roy Jones land in 1/10 the time of Leonard's. Everyone should have a clear picture now that while Leonard is able to land one punch Roy can land ten punches in that amount of time. This means if Roy had been a practicioner of the shoeshine, his mitts would have would have been as blurred as hummingbird wings. Good work.

[sonnyboyx2]

Sonny, your math work is impeccable. Thanks for helping the less fortunate understand that the punches of Roy Jones land in 1/10 the time of Leonard's. Everyone should have a clear picture now that while Leonard is able to land one punch Roy can land ten punches in that amount of time. This means if Roy had been a practicioner of the shoeshine, his mitts would have would have been as blurred as hummingbird wings. Good work.

was a figure of speech.. yet you surprise me. i would have thought you being knowledgeable on the sport, would have been able to debate it. But of the 8 or 10 answers so far to the post i made about the fighters i feel would defeat Hagler, not one of them has made any kind of response to my post or made any kind of sensible comment to debate. All have just posted "ridicule and personal attacks towards me".... what am i dealing with here

It is very similar to when i post a comment about Lennox Lewis.. i get all these "hate & ridicule" comments, but no one willing to debate and show what i claim to be wrong...So it leaves me thinking, "Those guy's must have gone away, knowing i am correct in what i have claimed".. because not one has been able to address what i said or prove me wrong.

For you to pick out that one line" ten times faster" which was just a figure of speech. instead of debating how you feel Hagler would defeat Jones. makes you look foolish... "Roy Jones was overwelmingly voted as the fastest boxer in history" right here on this forum..by the members on this forum. Ray Leonard was in the poll of which members could vote on and he did not make the top 3..

[soul_survivor]

Well i would have a wager on these fighters to beat any version of Marvin Hagler.

Sam Langford
Freddie Steele
Marcel Cerdan
Carlos Monzon
Ray Robinson
Stanley Ketchel
Mickey Walker
Gene Fullmer
James Toney
Roy Jones Jr.
Bernard Hopkins

Damn boy, what did Hagler do to you?

I'm leaving some of the older fighters out of this cos I just haven't seen them fight enough or at all.

Starting off with recent middleweight, Toney was fluid enough and had enough punch variety to have the best shot at beating Hagler. Hopkins could make the fight ugly but I'm not sure if he wins. Jones was exceptionally talented and in the mid 90s, during his time at mw/smw, his reflexes were second to none. Problem is, Hagler was a superior puncher and a superior technician, I can see him winning by KO or UD.

Someone like Fullmer would probably be too small, Robinson was not quiet at his best at mw but he still had that explosive power, impregnable chin and superb skill, so it's a 60-40 for Robinson on that one.

Monzon v Hagler is probably the most interesting for me. For all the mystique surrounding Monzon, he did what he did and that was good basics. He wasn't explosive, didn't have startling reflexes or blurring handspeed but he had the basics down to a tee. A good jab, good defence, strong, solid footwork. Hagler could be a bit loose at times and often got stuck, not knowing whether to play the puncher or the boxer.