If Hagler and Leonard had fought in 82?

[joseph5620]

Once again, "Made up Lies"

How the hell could Ray Leonard "Not be Ready" in 82...Leonard actually retired in 1982 due to a detached retina, having achieved, everything possible to achieve in the sport...

Can you please provide a link to Emmanuel Stewart saying it was "A fabrication" that Hearns broke his little finger?

Ray Leonard never mentioned "He wasn't ready for Hagler" when i listened to him talking for 3hrs back in 2012, in fact he told the audience about how a `detached retina` scuppered a fight with Hagler back in 82 a fight he always knew he would win.

Because the thread title says 82 dummy. I understand you're only semi literate but that's pathetic even by your low standards

[sonnyboyx2]

"Once again, you are talking a heap of bullshyt"


...........you have your opinion I have mine, you seem to be full of ego!
Judging has changed alot over the past 60 years and more so over the past 12!
Hagler is a top five Middleweight.
Leonard is a top ten Welter.
Both highly skilled but I believe Haglers style would over ride Leonards.

Ray

we are not talking about "judging over the last 12yrs" or the last 60yrs for that matter.. if fighter (A) throws and lands 60 jabs in a round, his opponent fighter (B) lands two right-hands which rock him, at the end of that round. That round MUST be scored to fighter A.... So stop talking as if we are all a bunch of numpties who know **** all about boxing.. because you make it up as you go along you ****ing clown.

Your claim of Hagler being Top 5 middleweight is very dubious:

Sugar Ray Robinson
Harry Grebb
Stanley Ketchel
Marcel Cerdan
Carlos Monzon
**** Tiger
Gene Fullmer
Freddie Steele
Roy Jones Jr.
James Toney
Bernard Hopkins
Sam Langford

Sugar Ray Leonard was voted the No2 Welterweight in History by the IBHOF

[rightsideup]

Once again, you are talking a heap of bullshyt. Boxing is scored on "correct punches landed on target".. nothing whatsoever to do with how hard the fighter throws the punch. There is no "Richter Scale" in the ring for the judges to check to see how hard the punch is, each time a fighter lands a shot...

Sugar Ray Leonard was at his "Ultimate Prime" in 1982, going 15rds at a championship pace was a piece of cake to Ray Leonard. He had done it three times at the very highest level, against Benitez, Duran & Hearns. with those three legendary fighters all being at their peak. Marvin Hagler fought 15rds only twice in his career and struggled immensely. Marvin was deamed to have lost 5 of the last 6rds against both Vito Antuofermo & Roberto Duran in championship fights. Marvin won the final round against Duran to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat... IMO i do not see Marvin being able to withstand Sugar Ray Lenard in 1982 i see Leonard winning far easier than he won in 1987 when having only his first fight in 3yrs and only his second fight in 5yrs.. Sugar Ray Leonard would have dazzled Marvin Hagler with speed, ringcraft, boxing ability and class.. It would be very one-sided with Ray Leonard the victor.

Marvin closed the show strong against duran but would have lost on the cards if the fight was scheduled for 12. I have no idea why Marvin let vito back into the first fight. He was human and sometimes the moment caught up to him.

[Ray Corso]

....."if fighter (A) throws and lands 60 jabs in a round, his opponent fighter (B) lands two right-hands which rock him, at the end of that round. That round MUST be scored to fighter A.... So stop talking as if we are all a bunch of numpties"

my example for light punch scoring wasn't 60 to 2.............

I don't know what a "numpty" is but it does sound like you!

I'll avoid you because name callers just bore me, people who degrade others
with the protection of distance and keyboard ballz just don't interest me.
You seem to have hurt feelings over Hagler as if he whipped your older brother or daddy or dated your sister and left her on a dock or something.........:wt:
so with all that in mind I could do WITHOUT You!!

Ray

[Barn]

Marvin won the final round against Duran to snatch victory.

errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[The Old LefHook]

....."if fighter (A) throws and lands 60 jabs in a round, his opponent fighter (B) lands two right-hands which rock him, at the end of that round. That round MUST be scored to fighter A.... So stop talking as if we are all a bunch of numpties"

my example for light punch scoring wasn't 60 to 2.............

I don't know what a "numpty" is but it does sound like you!

I'll avoid you because name callers just bore me, people who degrade others
with the protection of distance and keyboard ballz just don't interest me.
You seem to have hurt feelings over Hagler as if he whipped your older brother or daddy or dated your sister and left her on a dock or something.........:wt:
so with all that in mind I could do WITHOUT You!!

Ray

No, not hurt feelings. Sonny is a shock jock. That is the only way he can get the attention of anyone at all. Ridiculous contentions are the proper tools of a shock jock's trade. Without the riduculous contention, there is no attention forthcoming.

Lennox Lewis was a scrub and now Hagler is. Next, who knows? Whatever shocks people and makes them react. I have these guys like Juggy and Sonny pegged, and barely bother with them anymore. Their posts are worthless for information and insight, but delightful for unintended humor and the idiocy they illuminate.

[billeau2]

No, not hurt feelings. Sonny is a shock jock. That is the only way he can get the attention of anyone at all. Ridiculous contentions are the proper tools of a shock jock's trade. Without the riduculous contention, there is no attention forthcoming.

Lennox Lewis was a scrub and now Hagler is. Next, who knows? Whatever shocks people and makes them react. I have these guys like Juggy and Sonny pegged, and barely bother with them anymore. Their posts are worthless for information and insight, but delightful for unintended humor and the idiocy they illuminate.

Delightful not so much...

[Ray Corso]

I've afforded them enough of my time. Like any old trainer dealing with kids who have no respect or try to talk tough I tried to BS with them to show them how they sound and why people react the way they do to them.
Honestly when someone calls me an imbecile I want them to know that inperson I'd **** them up!
Its the generation gap that I would Fill Quickly!
So insrtead of making that mistake again I prefer to ignore ignorance!
Jugernutz, elroy and sonny are here for themselves, they have their agenda and its to degrade and belittle past greats that dedicated their lives to the sport.

I have no idea why their allowed to act the way they do here!
Disagreeing is one thing but the disrespect is another. No one I know allows that kind of behavior or talk without offering lessons in return. Generation gap
.........or just ignorance?

Ray

[Scott9945]

we are not talking about "judging over the last 12yrs" or the last 60yrs for that matter.. if fighter (A) throws and lands 60 jabs in a round, his opponent fighter (B) lands two right-hands which rock him, at the end of that round. That round MUST be scored to fighter A.... So stop talking as if we are all a bunch of numpties who know **** all about boxing.. because you make it up as you go along you ****ing clown.

Your claim of Hagler being Top 5 middleweight is very dubious:

Sugar Ray Robinson
Harry Grebb
Stanley Ketchel
Marcel Cerdan
Carlos Monzon
**** Tiger
Gene Fullmer
Freddie Steele
Roy Jones Jr.
James Toney
Bernard Hopkins
Sam Langford

Sugar Ray Leonard was voted the No2 Welterweight in History by the IBHOF

That is simply FALSE. Effective punching is the most important factor. You seem to be confused between pro and amateur scoring. Countless times a round has been won by a fighter landing less volume of punches, but more effective and powerful ones.

[Anthony342]

Didn't Hagler even say in 1982 he wanted to fight Leonard in a post fight interview on HBO, with Tompkins and Leonard on commentary? If the retina is healed properly or if it's before the detached retina, it would've been more likely to happen. Even without the injury Leonard didn't want the fight until 1987 after seeing how much Hagler was past it and shop worn after the Mugabi fight. He made a comeback in 1984 with Hagler in attendance and then promptly retired again instead of taking a couple or more fights to get out the ring rust and then fight Hagler. Leonard would stick and move early, but there would be some slugging rounds too which Hagler would get the better of mostly, so I see Hagler winning a close decision if it goes the distance or a late TKO if it doesn't. Probably goes the distance since Leonard wasn't stopped until he was well past his sell by date.