Joe Louis in the early 70's and 90's..

[billeau2]

Alot of dumb comments from crazy idiots joe would be destroyed by holy who moved way to good from angles bowe tucker and others destroy him easy

You must forget, you are the village idiot! Think... think... Remember now?

[YGriffith]

He would be destroyed by 86kg Amateurs, he has no chance of getting anywhere as a pro from 168 to 200+ lbs in the 90s to today.
He gets washed by top 10 heavyweights from 70s.

[The Old LefHook]

Joe had perhaps the greatest powerjab in the history of the sport and put punches together brilliantly.. But, in all honesty he did not have the greatest chin in the world.. He was also very vulnerable to a right cross..

So it is said, but whenever I watch Louis I do not see a power jab but just another jab. Holmes and Foreman threw power jabs, and to me it is obvious they were harder than Louis's. Maybe Louis threw jabs more consistently than any previous heavyweight. Show me some clips of heads snapping back from Louis's jab, and I might change my mind. There is always room to be wrong.

[The Old LefHook]

I disagree, Joe Louis did phenomenal even against big guys who were big punchers like the Baer bros. and Primo Carnera.

You disagree with the word "might?"

[The Old LefHook]

Louis had skills that transcend any era. One constant mistake people make is to call his deliberate, methodical method "plodding." There is film of young Louis that shows he had quick feet. The methodical way he stalked an opponent was designed for an era when 15 rounds was the norm for a championship fight, which carried on through the seventies, and his so called "plodding" was efficiency.

If one wants to get an idea of Louis in the seventies, one can see that some of the punchers...guys like Shavers, Norton to a degree, Foreman, Lyle were able...Louis had more weapons, was more efficient than any of these men. Louis was good enough defemsively to fight in an era with smaller gloves and not be chin checked into oblivion. Even in his loss to Schmelling it was not his chin.

Jimmy Young might well have been Louis' Billy Conn in this era.... Young was mobile, had good punch resistance and could upset the apple cart with his unorthodox tactics.

I won'tnyet comment on after the seventies suffice to say one has to look fighter by bfighter.

Show such film instead of talking about it every time the subject comes up. I only see the footwork of Bigfoot.

[them_apples]

So it is said, but whenever I watch Louis I do not see a power jab but just another jab. Holmes and Foreman threw power jabs, and to me it is obvious they were harder than Louis's. Maybe Louis threw jabs more consistently than any previous heavyweight. Show me some clips of heads snapping back from Louis's jab, and I might change my mind. There is always room to be wrong.

the footage is so bad often there arent enough frames to pick up a small quick movement of a head snapping back. Its like shadow boxing on a webcam.

technique wise he throws a hard stabbing jab.

[them_apples]

Show such film instead of talking about it every time the subject comes up. I only see the footwork of Bigfoot.

Watch the video of shavers and smitty on youtube. Shavers explains this type of footwork. Foreman used the same type and Ali claimed he was forced to rope a dope because of it.

later on Ali showed Roy Jones how it works, and Jones commented on how hard Ali was to hit because of a simple adjustment in stance.

[QueensburyRules]

Watch the video of shavers and smitty on youtube. Shavers explains this type of footwork. Foreman used the same type and Ali claimed he was forced to rope a dope because of it.

later on Ali showed Roy Jones how it works, and Jones commented on how hard Ali was to hit because of a simple adjustment in stance.

- - Ali was so hard to hit that Sonny Banks, Sir 'enery, and Doug Jones had to drug him, right?

Ali had to be drugged, because otherwise, Ali is immaculate, invincible, inviolable...

[Ascended]

He would be destroyed by 86kg Amateurs, he has no chance of getting anywhere as a pro from 168 to 200+ lbs in the 90s to today.
He gets washed by top 10 heavyweights from 70s.

Half true since he would be destroyed by mid carders to and lhw lots of them all of these idiots know this they just won't admit it dont know why but they wont crazy people

He stuggled with Bill/dropped by galento neither one of these dudes would make pro or give mid/high level fighters from 70s-now a challenge or would they win those dudes joe fought all were trash compared

[them_apples]

So it is said, but whenever I watch Louis I do not see a power jab but just another jab. Holmes and Foreman threw power jabs, and to me it is obvious they were harder than Louis's. Maybe Louis threw jabs more consistently than any previous heavyweight. Show me some clips of heads snapping back from Louis's jab, and I might change my mind. There is always room to be wrong.

Its mostly just the footage. But its improving. You can see his jab against Baer. But also keep in mind he doesnt throw every jab with force, many are bait jabs and set up jabs mixed in with sharp stabbing fencing jabs.

interesting enough this jab all but dissapeared by the 50s. Not sure why exactly. Ive actually seen Floyd use it from time to time but nobody else, not even greats from the 70s. Foreman, Ali, Holmes and Liston all had good jabs in different ways, but they didn’t throw the particular jab that Joe was taught. I won’t say which is superior since they all had uses. Robinson created a hybrid version of it and I suspect it was him that got copied a lot going forward

walcott, charles, benny leonard and loughran off the top of my head all used it.