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The Grant/Botha defenses at the time were of higher quality than the mandatory Ruiz/Bryd defenses. Grant actually definitively beat a near prime Golota whilst Huggybear Ruiz needed a robbery against a shot to bits Golota. Botha was a cagey experienced fighter with a good record who had recently got the better of Tyson for several rounds before getting clipped. Byrd was a blown up MW who was obliterated by just about every bonafide HW he fought. He had absolutely no power and was no threat at all to Lewis.
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Speaking of which, John Ruiz fights were a borefest for me. Only watched him when he fought a top opponent I liked, like Holyfield.Comment
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You was a 14yrs old looking at your poster of Lennox Lewis your mummy bought you out of Woolworths back in 1999 mate... i have followed boxing since the mid-1960s which is a long time before you was a twinkle in your milkmans eye.
Who cares if they were No1 contenders you say... Answer: The fighters Byrd & Ruiz care. otherwise why risk life ~& limb in a prizefight if there is no reward at the top of the mountain you foolish piece of horse shyt..
You are making it up as you go along without a single shred of evidence.. Put up some links to prove to me what you are claiming you clown...
If as you claim Lewis signed a mega-millions contract to fight Grant, Botha, Tyson 1 & 2 Vitali & Wlad... then that contract would be very very easily accessed on the internet... so put up a link to that contract or even a link to show that HBO had the intension of paying Lewis mega-millions like you claim, for fighting those fighters..
Put up a link showing that Mike Tyson signed to fight Lennox Lewis in a rematch...
Put up a link showing Michael Grant to be the official WBA No1 contender for Lennox Lewis title...
Put up a link showing Chris Byrd was not the official No1 contender when Lewis dumped the IBF belt....
All the above links should be as easy as shelling peas to find on the internet, if they actually exist....
"Now put up or shut up"... because like i pointed out earlier, You keep saying, this is fact, that is fact. Well if they are fact then put up the evidence.
There is more chance of me flying to the moon than you putting up any facts or any links.. because i know you are 100% wrong in all that you are claiming.. You cannot bring yourself to look at the truth, you just spout off what you want to believe and try to force those who know different, to accept your ****** opinions over the actual truth of the matter..
I await your links of evidence and look forward to viewing them. With a view to appologizing to you and accepting i was totally wrong and that you were totally correct in what you claimed.Comment
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Sure you have.
Yeah - Them, their team and the 1 or 2 fans they had cares. Nobody besides that.
I have provided that evidence before - but hey, I'll provide it again. Lewis fought in court to keep the WBA belt after having signed to fight Grant before a mandatory was made. The original mandatory Henry Akinwande was replaced by Ruiz because of a sickness. 1) Lewis vs Akinwande I was absolute garbage, 2) he had signed to fight Grant before Ruiz was even in the picture.
I have never said Michael Grant was WBA #1 contender. I have also never said Chris Byrd wasn't IBF #1 contender, I said he wasn't the official heavyweight #1 contender.
Lewis vs Tyson rematch clause:
Lennox Lewis says his next fight may be a rematch with Mike Tyson in June. Talks for a proposed bout in April between Lewis and Vitali Klitschko have collapsed, Judd Burnstein, Lewis's attorney, said yesterday.
''Now that there will be no April fight, Lennox has a contractual obligation to consider Mike Tyson as his June opponent and looks forward to seeing how Tyson performs'' against Etienne, Burnstein said.
Lewis had been expected to defend his World Boxing Council heavyweight title against Klitschko, the organization's No. 1 contender. Lewis under contract with HBO, and HBO officials said this week that Lewis was supposed to meet with them to plan his next fight
Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/25/sp...n-rematch.html
Lewis vs Akinwande - turned to Ruiz?
Lewis is set to defend the titles on 29 April against unbeaten American Michael Grant at Madison Square Garden in New York.
But the WBA wanted Lewis to fight its top-ranked challenger, Britain's Henry Akinwande, who was disqualified for persistent holding when the two last met in 1997.
Lewis and his handlers knew a second fight with Akinwande, who is managed by Don King, would be box office poison and also pointed out the Nigerian-born Londoner was still suffering from hepatitis.
Akinwande has now been replaced by the WBA as number one contender by American John Ruiz.
Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/sport/675628.stm
Furthermore from a court decision:
Lewis A. Kaplan, a Manhattan Federal Court judge, ruled that Lewis had to give up the WBA title before he fights Michael Grant on April 29 at the Garden or risk being cited for contempt of court. In his ruling, Kaplan said the case hinged on the question of "whether a renowned professional athlete is bound to his commercial dealings by the same standards of honesty and fairness aspired to by the rest of society.
" Kaplan said that even though Lewis signed the contract calling for him to fight the WBA No. 1 contender, he never intended to do so. Lewis, the British heavyweight champion, had filed a lawsuit against promoter Don King in an effort to keep from fighting the WBA No. 1. King had inserted a clause in Lewis' contract for his fight against Holyfield that called for the winner to make his first defense of the unified title against the WBA No. 1 - at that time, Henry Akinwande. Lewis didn't want to fight Akinwande, because the two had met for Lewis' WBC championship three years earlier and Akinwande was disqualified for excessive clutching and not fighting.
Chwasky said Lewis would give up the WBA belt for now but would appeal the decision. He added that he would ask for an expedited appeal but didn't expect anything to happen in time for the April 29 fight against Grant. Lewis' camp hopes to keep King from putting on a fight between Holyfield and John Ruiz for the vacant WBA title.
Lewis statement:
" "I am very disappointed that the court did not even consider our major arguments that Henry Akinwande, who was No. 1 until a little more than a month ago, was unfit and John Ruiz is not qualified or a legitimate No. 1 contender," the statement said.
Source: http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/...ticle-1.876115
WBA approves Grant fight before any mandatory is called:
- In February 2000, it was announced that Lewis would fight Michael Grant, ranked fifth by the WBA, on April 29. The WBA agreed to sanction the fight on the condition that the winner agree to fight the top contender within 180 days.
- Don King, the promoter of John Ruiz, the No. 1 contender, filed suit to force the WBA to strip Lewis and allow Ruiz to face Evander Holyfield, the No. 2 contender, for the vacant title.
Source: http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Le..._Michael_Grant
HBO wants Lewis vs Klitschko:
Lewis could, of course, fight Vitally Klitschko and get the WBC mandatory out of the way until a Tyson fleecing could be signed, sealed and cemented. Creating "the revenge of the brothers" as Byrd's lawyer (and former Lewis lawyer) John Hornewer calls it, so as to create the HBO dream fight of Lewis vs. Wladimir Klitschko for next summer. How HBO love those pretentious narratives for their fighters bio reports. The problem is Vitally won't want to take on Lewis having just come back from his most recent injury bugaboo
"He's a breath of fresh air for the sport," says HBO boxing chief Kery Davis, who is working to sign Wladimir to a multifight contract. "He's a talented fighter and he's a unique personality. There are not a lot of boxers who have his education or who want to talk about the breadth and scope of subjects he's interested in. Besides that, he's 6-foot-6 and a handsome guy, according to my wife. I think he can be a star."
Source: http://www.secondsout.com/usa-boxing...s-lost-his-way
More on the WBA:
The politics of boxing rankings are such that the most deserving challenger isn't always the mandatory challenger.
As a result, when an undisputed champion like Lennox Lewis chooses to fight the best available contender -- as he'll do April 29 in New York City when he takes on Michael Grant -- it doesn't always satisfy the various sanctioning organizations and their many constituents.
While Lewis has the World Boxing Council, World Boxing Association and International Boxing Federation heavyweight titles, the WBA is under a court order to pull its belt from Lewis if he goes through with the Grant fight.
He's going to go through with the fight and contest the court order in an appeal that will soon be filed with a federal court in New York.
The WBA has moved John Ruiz into the mandatory challenger's spot and promoter Don King is working the courts on behalf of a Ruiz vs. Evander Holyfield fight scheduled for June 10 in Las Vegas. If King prevails, Ruiz and Holyfield will fight for the WBA title that Lewis may be forced to vacate.
"Don King has a lot of influence with the WBA," Lewis said this week during a conference call. "The belt's being stolen, that's all I can say."
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As I said, you're a muppet and you don't know anything about boxing kid.Last edited by LacedUp; 07-04-2015, 07:30 AM.Comment
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You always throw around your supposed knowledge that nobody else has yet you don't even respond to the points made in the post half the time.Everything you claim here in this post is wrong. You obviously were not around in the year 2000.
To claim Lennox Lewis exposed Michael Grant and Ruddock is wrong. it is a load of rubbish... Take a look at the link below:
Grant was exposed by Andrew Golota who floored Grant twice in the opening round before quitting in the 10th round.. Golota is a known quitter.
Lennox Lewis sat ringside with Donald Trump watching the above fight and immediately announced he was to fight Michael Grant next.
Trying to make out Grant was a power-punching champion in waiting is laughable, it shows just how little you actually understand this sport... Lewis chose to fight the exposed Grant rather than the official No1 contender John Ruiz. Ruiz showed from 1996 through to the very end of his career in 2010 that he was a worthy contender and champion, who would have given Lewis a far greater battle than what the exposed Michael Grant did...to claim otherwise is delusional.
Donovon Ruddock was not the favorite to beat Lennox Lewis 1992 Lewis was the clear betting favorite at odds of 8/11 with Ruddock at odds of 15/8.. i was in attendence at the fight in Earls Court. Ruddock had a huge Campervan parked outside on the Earls Court carpark... Ruddock WAS NOT exposed by Lennox Lewis.. Ruddock had already been exposed many times over, he had struggled to beat old 35yr old Mike Weaver as well as being stopped by club-fighter Dave Jaco.. but prior to his bout with Lewis, Ruddock had fought two fights against former champion Mike Tyson, losing almost every round in both fights. Ruddock was given a frightful and brutal beating by Tyson in their second bout. Having his eye-socket smashed aswell as his cheeckbone broken..If Ruddock was not exposed then i don't know what exposed means.. By the time Ruddock got around to fighting Lewis, he was "Damaged-Goods".. He never threw a single punch in the Lewis fight and put up a feeble performance. Ruddock was booed by the 12,000 crowd in Earls Court for going out without a fight.. he was pathetic!
Chris Byrd was the official IBF No1 contender having easily defeated Vitali Klitschko, David Tua & Evander Holyfield. the later two fighters far easier than Lewis defeated them... Lewis trainer Manny Stewart wanted nothing to do with Chris Byrd, Stewart told Lewis, "Byrd could easily make Lewis look very bad and that Byrd would most likely win a point decision..
For you to try to make Grant out to be a world-beater and Byrd and Ruiz to be nothing but tomato cans is laughable.. You know in your own mind that Lennox Lewis beat not a single fighter of worth other than Mike Tyson who was addicted to Prescription anti-depressants, alcohol, ******* & cannabis. Danny Williama & Kevin McBride also beat that version of Tyson.
Lewis greatest career victory was a fortunate win over Frank Bruno who had schooled Lewis for 7rds before getting tagged.. I must agree that i feel Lewis was unfortunate not to be given the decision in his first bout against Evander Holyfield. Yet i can see how the judges scored it 6rds each and a draw. Even the British judge scored it as a draw... But Lewis was clearly fortunate beyond belief to be given the decision in their rematch.. i felt Holyfield won 8-4rds.. Holyfield himself also feels he won it fairly easily..
Deontay Wilder is a fighter Lennox Lewis would run a million miles from. Lewis would want nothing to do with Wilder because Wilder is undefeated and can punch.. i would fancy Wilder to take care of Michael Grant in the first round by knock out.
Michael Grant was PERCIEVED as a fighter who could crush Lewis....We all know what came of Grant. Isn't it ironick that Lewis beat Golata as well? but you have an excuse for that as well.
Lewis is always cunning and fortunate, yet byrd becomes a virtual juggernaught to your way of thinking and this passes as boxing knowledge?
And Ruiz? You really can't be serious. Your arguments have been deconstructed and rubbished so many times its just not worth it. But please stop avancing such rubbish and then stating how people know nothing.
Sonny there is an old principle in forensic epistemology which states "extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof." You would need extraordinary proof of serendipity for Lewis to show that the versions of fighters he beat were inferior to the likes of Ruiz and Byrd...and Sanders.Last edited by billeau2; 07-04-2015, 10:12 AM.Comment
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i need nothing other than a Ring Record Book to show that both Ruiz & Byrd achieved vastly more than
Andrew Golota
Henry Akinwande
Zeljko Mavrovic
Justin Fortune
Lionel Butler
Frank Bruno
Tony Tucker
Razor Ruddock
Shannon Briggs
David Tua
Tommy Morrison
Hasim Rahman
Frans Botha
Michael Grant
Oliver McCall
Phil Jackson
If i am to believe you and the other Lewis nut huggers on this site then the above list of Class C fighters turn into a murders row of greatness
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Overlooking how inaccurate it is to call Tucker, Ruddock, and Bruno "Class C fighters" (I bet you rated them higher when they fought Tyson), using Phil Jackson (among others) is ridiculous. Ruiz and Byrd weren't remotely close to being heavyweight contenders back then.i need nothing other than a Ring Record Book to show that both Ruiz & Byrd achieved vastly more than
Andrew Golota
Henry Akinwande
Zeljko Mavrovic
Justin Fortune
Lionel Butler
Frank Bruno
Tony Tucker
Razor Ruddock
Shannon Briggs
David Tua
Tommy Morrison
Hasim Rahman
Frans Botha
Michael Grant
Oliver McCall
Phil Jackson
If i am to believe you and the other Lewis nut huggers on this site then the above list of Class C fighters turn into a murders row of greatness
Just a typical example of you throwing crap against the wall and hoping something sticks.Comment
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Sonnyboy will come with excuses for this one too. Sure you have.
Yeah - Them, their team and the 1 or 2 fans they had cares. Nobody besides that.
I have provided that evidence before - but hey, I'll provide it again. Lewis fought in court to keep the WBA belt after having signed to fight Grant before a mandatory was made. The original mandatory Henry Akinwande was replaced by Ruiz because of a sickness. 1) Lewis vs Akinwande I was absolute garbage, 2) he had signed to fight Grant before Ruiz was even in the picture.
I have never said Michael Grant was WBA #1 contender. I have also never said Chris Byrd wasn't IBF #1 contender, I said he wasn't the official heavyweight #1 contender.
Lewis vs Tyson rematch clause:
Lennox Lewis says his next fight may be a rematch with Mike Tyson in June. Talks for a proposed bout in April between Lewis and Vitali Klitschko have collapsed, Judd Burnstein, Lewis's attorney, said yesterday.
''Now that there will be no April fight, Lennox has a contractual obligation to consider Mike Tyson as his June opponent and looks forward to seeing how Tyson performs'' against Etienne, Burnstein said.
Lewis had been expected to defend his World Boxing Council heavyweight title against Klitschko, the organization's No. 1 contender. Lewis under contract with HBO, and HBO officials said this week that Lewis was supposed to meet with them to plan his next fight
Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/25/sp...n-rematch.html
Lewis vs Akinwande - turned to Ruiz?
Lewis is set to defend the titles on 29 April against unbeaten American Michael Grant at Madison Square Garden in New York.
But the WBA wanted Lewis to fight its top-ranked challenger, Britain's Henry Akinwande, who was disqualified for persistent holding when the two last met in 1997.
Lewis and his handlers knew a second fight with Akinwande, who is managed by Don King, would be box office poison and also pointed out the Nigerian-born Londoner was still suffering from hepatitis.
Akinwande has now been replaced by the WBA as number one contender by American John Ruiz.
Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/sport/675628.stm
Furthermore from a court decision:
Lewis A. Kaplan, a Manhattan Federal Court judge, ruled that Lewis had to give up the WBA title before he fights Michael Grant on April 29 at the Garden or risk being cited for contempt of court. In his ruling, Kaplan said the case hinged on the question of "whether a renowned professional athlete is bound to his commercial dealings by the same standards of honesty and fairness aspired to by the rest of society.
" Kaplan said that even though Lewis signed the contract calling for him to fight the WBA No. 1 contender, he never intended to do so. Lewis, the British heavyweight champion, had filed a lawsuit against promoter Don King in an effort to keep from fighting the WBA No. 1. King had inserted a clause in Lewis' contract for his fight against Holyfield that called for the winner to make his first defense of the unified title against the WBA No. 1 - at that time, Henry Akinwande. Lewis didn't want to fight Akinwande, because the two had met for Lewis' WBC championship three years earlier and Akinwande was disqualified for excessive clutching and not fighting.
Chwasky said Lewis would give up the WBA belt for now but would appeal the decision. He added that he would ask for an expedited appeal but didn't expect anything to happen in time for the April 29 fight against Grant. Lewis' camp hopes to keep King from putting on a fight between Holyfield and John Ruiz for the vacant WBA title.
Lewis statement:
" "I am very disappointed that the court did not even consider our major arguments that Henry Akinwande, who was No. 1 until a little more than a month ago, was unfit and John Ruiz is not qualified or a legitimate No. 1 contender," the statement said.
Source: http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/...ticle-1.876115
WBA approves Grant fight before any mandatory is called:
- In February 2000, it was announced that Lewis would fight Michael Grant, ranked fifth by the WBA, on April 29. The WBA agreed to sanction the fight on the condition that the winner agree to fight the top contender within 180 days.
- Don King, the promoter of John Ruiz, the No. 1 contender, filed suit to force the WBA to strip Lewis and allow Ruiz to face Evander Holyfield, the No. 2 contender, for the vacant title.
Source: http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Le..._Michael_Grant
HBO wants Lewis vs Klitschko:
Lewis could, of course, fight Vitally Klitschko and get the WBC mandatory out of the way until a Tyson fleecing could be signed, sealed and cemented. Creating "the revenge of the brothers" as Byrd's lawyer (and former Lewis lawyer) John Hornewer calls it, so as to create the HBO dream fight of Lewis vs. Wladimir Klitschko for next summer. How HBO love those pretentious narratives for their fighters bio reports. The problem is Vitally won't want to take on Lewis having just come back from his most recent injury bugaboo
"He's a breath of fresh air for the sport," says HBO boxing chief Kery Davis, who is working to sign Wladimir to a multifight contract. "He's a talented fighter and he's a unique personality. There are not a lot of boxers who have his education or who want to talk about the breadth and scope of subjects he's interested in. Besides that, he's 6-foot-6 and a handsome guy, according to my wife. I think he can be a star."
Source: http://www.secondsout.com/usa-boxing...s-lost-his-way
More on the WBA:
The politics of boxing rankings are such that the most deserving challenger isn't always the mandatory challenger.
As a result, when an undisputed champion like Lennox Lewis chooses to fight the best available contender -- as he'll do April 29 in New York City when he takes on Michael Grant -- it doesn't always satisfy the various sanctioning organizations and their many constituents.
While Lewis has the World Boxing Council, World Boxing Association and International Boxing Federation heavyweight titles, the WBA is under a court order to pull its belt from Lewis if he goes through with the Grant fight.
He's going to go through with the fight and contest the court order in an appeal that will soon be filed with a federal court in New York.
The WBA has moved John Ruiz into the mandatory challenger's spot and promoter Don King is working the courts on behalf of a Ruiz vs. Evander Holyfield fight scheduled for June 10 in Las Vegas. If King prevails, Ruiz and Holyfield will fight for the WBA title that Lewis may be forced to vacate.
"Don King has a lot of influence with the WBA," Lewis said this week during a conference call. "The belt's being stolen, that's all I can say."
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As I said, you're a muppet and you don't know anything about boxing kid.
Claiming USAtoday, bbc and New york times aren't proper sources
Just wait and see.Comment
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