worst hw champ ever

[butterfly1964]

what does that say about marciano? that it took him 9 rounds to finish an all time great. not too shabby, and certainly not a valid criticism.
and you yourself have mentioned countless times that marciano was small, so, there you go.

he's an all-time great light hw, not hw. let me ask you something. let's say if lennox lewis fought roy jones and was given a hell of a time beating him(i'm not saying he would but hypothetically), then since roy jones is an all-time great "lhw" that means it's ok? no! lewis is a hw, so it's no excuse no matter how great jones is at a lower weight class. the same goes for marciano. if marciano is so great and powerful, then he should have destroyed moore faster than tyson did spinks, right? but he didn't, so marciano is overrated. i'm not saying he's a bum, but he is overrated.

and i have said marciano is small cause he weighs 185 compared to someone like tyson or foreman, whom both weigh about 220. but moore is a natural 160-170, so he is small compared to marciano.

[blockhead]

he's an all-time great light hw, not hw. let me ask you something. let's say if lennox lewis fought roy jones and was given a hell of a time beating him(i'm not saying he would but hypothetically), then since roy jones is an all-time great "lhw" that means it's ok? no! lewis is a hw, so it's no excuse no matter how great jones is at a lower weight class. the same goes for marciano. if marciano is so great and powerful, then he should have destroyed moore faster than tyson did spinks, right? but he didn't, so marciano is overrated. i'm not saying he's a bum, but he is overrated.

and i have said marciano is small cause he weighs 185 compared to someone like tyson or foreman, whom both weigh about 220. but moore is a natural 160-170, so he is small compared to marciano.

the size difference between lennox and roid jones is a bit different than rocky and archie. i agree that marciano is over rated, but i disagree with using archie moore as an example of his exagerated rating. archie will always hold the all time ko record, nobody will ever come close. trying to discredit anyone for having a hard time with moore is a mistake in my opinion.

[butterfly1964]

the size difference between lennox and roid jones is a bit different than rocky and archie. i agree that marciano is over rated, but i disagree with using archie moore as an example of his exagerated rating. archie will always hold the all time ko record, nobody will ever come close. trying to discredit anyone for having a hard time with moore is a mistake in my opinion.

alright, forget lewis. put in joe frazier instead.

if tarver or roy jones, or michael spinks at light hw had a hard time with moore, then that is no shame, cause they are lighthw's. but any hw who is considered a top ten hw, should not have a hard time with any light hw, or struggle to knock him out.

[MR. V]

didnt read all the other post , so i dont know if this has already been stated but HANDS DOWN THE WORST CHAMPION EVER was Buster "too fat" Douglas.


had the belt after beating the best , MIke tyson, and lost after one attempt to defend it to Evandor Holyfield.

[RockyMarcianofan00]

butterfly did you even see that fight

by my score card Archie had three rounds and Marciano had 6 that fight should have been tko'd in the 7th but Archie still had some pep so they kept it going but it only took him 6 rounds to beat Archie Moore, after 6 archie had a few more good shots but thats about it so


hmm lets talk about discrditing, do you think it would have taken Mike Tyson or Joe Frazier 15 rounds to put Chuck Wepner away

[butterfly1964]

butterfly did you even see that fight

by my score card Archie had three rounds and Marciano had 6 that fight should have been tko'd in the 7th but Archie still had some pep so they kept it going but it only took him 6 rounds to beat Archie Moore, after 6 archie had a few more good shots but thats about it so


hmm lets talk about discrditing, do you think it would have taken Mike Tyson or Joe Frazier 15 rounds to put Chuck Wepner away

ali was way past his prime at the wepner prime. marciano was in his prime in the moore fight.

[RockyMarcianofan00]

ali was way past his prime at the wepner prime. marciano was in his prime in the moore fight.

i could disagree

Moore, and ****ell were Marciano's worst fights, he was still prime but if you ever read his bio (which i doubht it) it had said by the time the ****ell fight had come around he just wasn't enjoying fighting anymore, what it said in the bio is that when you go into your gym there's a certain odor and that odor makes you want to work, once you stop liking that odor you should retire. marciano by the time training began for the ****ell fight didn't like that smell. He was having issues with his manager and how he was taking most of the money away from Rocky etc... which eventually led to his retirement. He was going to make a comeback because his contract said he only had to stay with his manager until he retired but he decided to stay retired. A prime Marciano is probably Marciano v Walcott I - Marciano v Lastarza or Charles II

by the time ****ell came around he wasn't training AS hard, and Archie Moore marciano really had no intention to fight, its just moore pressured him into the fight. and marciano never refused a fight for the most part. A prime Marciano like the one that fought LaStarza would rip apart both Moore and ****ell

When i was watching the SuperFight, Peter Marciano was saying how in his family they had an italian saying, that translated too Don't make an embarassment of yourself or your family (or something along those lines) Marciano thought a loss would be the ultimate embarassment which is why he stayed retired in his prime

[tommyhearns804]

Rocky Marciano...enough said

[butterfly1964]

Rocky Marciano...enough said

hmmm, marciano was better than schmeling, carnera, jeffries, both spinks', rahman, moorer, patterson, etc.

i believe marciano is overrated, too, but he is not as bad as you make him out to be.

[brownpimp88]

Some of us can't be bothered acknowledging those ****** alphabet belt holder as "champions", which automatically eliminates the likes of Seldon from the running.

If ur gonna go by that, then i can easily say that from 1900-1935 the coloured champ had a legit claim to the belt cuz they were more active. At times the coloured champ was much better than the "real champ".