ali of the sixties and his feuds with former champs

[rightsideup]

Yeah...I mean he sorta is. Woman beater,Draft dodger,racist.

I'm not saying anything bad about him. I'm a fan of a lot of fighters who did questionable things outside the ring.

He grew up black in a society that clearly treated people of color as second class citizens he may have been influenced by not the greatest of leaders but he was very impressionable. He was human with faults working his way through a very turbulent time.

[SouthPawHitman]

He grew up black in a society that clearly treated people of color as second class citizens he may have been influenced by not the greatest of leaders but he was very impressionable. He was human with faults working his way through a very turbulent time.

I'm not blaming him.

[Easy Work.]

Yeah...I mean he sorta is. Woman beater,Draft dodger,racist.

I'm not saying anything bad about him. I'm a fan of a lot of fighters who did questionable things outside the ring.

Since when is Ali a woman beater? and how can he be racist if his cornermen where white throughout his whole career.

[SouthPawHitman]

Since when is Ali a woman beater? and how can he be racist if his cornermen where white throughout his whole career.

He was a member of The Nation of Islam,which viewed the white man as the "devil". He said white people were the enemy.

I'm not discrediting him as a fighter in any way. He is the greatest heavyweight of all time.

[The Old LefHook]

He was a member of The Nation of Islam,which viewed the white man as the "devil". He said white people were the enemy.

I'm not discrediting him as a fighter in any way. He is the greatest heavyweight of all time.

But not the greatest brain of all time, as evinced by his going moslem.

[billeau2]

He was a member of The Nation of Islam,which viewed the white man as the "devil". He said white people were the enemy.

I'm not discrediting him as a fighter in any way. He is the greatest heavyweight of all time.

Your taking one event and misrepresenting it, no suprise. The Nation of Islam had Ali and a lot of individuals who had been drawn in by false promises by the balls, including Malcolm X. Ali also had white paramours and was quoted as saying people of one color should stick to the same, what of it? people say silly things, its their actions that should count.

Let me point out how ridiculous it is to take events out of context. The nation of islam hated ***s, yet Ali had an ongoing affection and friendship with one of the few men who supported his antiwar position, and supported him unconditionally, Howard Cosell.

See thats the difference between real understanding and troll trash....people say things all the time...Ali hated joe Louis, yet if anyone is not lazy, ******ed, and in possession of a computer one can see a film of Louis, working with Ali and clowning with Ali...hardly two people who have a hate for each other.

yes Ali said and did ****** things, so have we all. but actions speak louder than words...You might invest some of the time you use for trolling and look into what monsters the nation of islam could be at that time for famous people of color. Its kind of like scientology is for movie stars. These groups intimidate, threaten and control things that make it very difficult for a man of principle. ITS WHY MALCOLM X was murdered!! He disagreed with Eliga muhammed...Ali didn't want to be murdered, so he walked a fine line.

Its easy to not realize what pressure ali was under. he defied his society, you like a lot of ignoramuses seem to think his stand was out of cowardice, so be it....he had to defy the nation of islam to some degree while trying to win fights in the ring and being robbed of his best years because of his stand (what a coward I tell ya).

[billeau2]

But not the greatest brain of all time, as evinced by his going moslem.

Lefty i can appreciate anyone who does not like ali, but be careful about this issue. Remember that at this time to be a man of color one could accept martin Luther kings way, but for many this was a cop out. malcolm X became a reason for converting to this religious group and malcolm was a fighter and a true intellect. Only later on did many including Malcolm, who paid with his life, and Ali, who had to walk a fine line, realize what the nation of islam was about. one looks at the kind gentle Farrikan now, lets just say he was differnt in those days, and that there were many thugs ready to murder for the group.

It was not the smartest thing Ali did, but it was what it was.

[Easy Work.]

He was a member of The Nation of Islam,which viewed the white man as the "devil". He said white people were the enemy.

I'm not discrediting him as a fighter in any way. He is the greatest heavyweight of all time.

that was a very tough time in america you cant really blame him for disliking the way black ppl where treated.

Do you have any proof of him being a woman beater?

[SouthPawHitman]

Your taking one event and misrepresenting it, no suprise. The Nation of Islam had Ali and a lot of individuals who had been drawn in by false promises by the balls, including Malcolm X. Ali also had white paramours and was quoted as saying people of one color should stick to the same, what of it? people say silly things, its their actions that should count.

Let me point out how ridiculous it is to take events out of context. The nation of islam hated ***s, yet Ali had an ongoing affection and friendship with one of the few men who supported his antiwar position, and supported him unconditionally, Howard Cosell.

See thats the difference between real understanding and troll trash....people say things all the time...Ali hated joe Louis, yet if anyone is not lazy, ******ed, and in possession of a computer one can see a film of Louis, working with Ali and clowning with Ali...hardly two people who have a hate for each other.

yes Ali said and did ****** things, so have we all. but actions speak louder than words...You might invest some of the time you use for trolling and look into what monsters the nation of islam could be at that time for famous people of color. Its kind of like scientology is for movie stars. These groups intimidate, threaten and control things that make it very difficult for a man of principle. ITS WHY MALCOLM X was murdered!! He disagreed with Eliga muhammed...Ali didn't want to be murdered, so he walked a fine line.

Its easy to not realize what pressure ali was under. he defied his society, you like a lot of ignoramuses seem to think his stand was out of cowardice, so be it....he had to defy the nation of islam to some degree while trying to win fights in the ring and being robbed of his best years because of his stand (what a coward I tell ya).

Name calling is not necessary. You have a different opinion of Ali than I do,that's fine. This is forum we discuss things people are going to have different opinions.

[SouthPawHitman]

that was a very tough time in america you cant really blame him for disliking the way black ppl where treated.

Do you have any proof of him being a woman beater?

Like I said in an earlier post,I don't blame him.

I know I've read in passing that he had abused women. I'll look for a link when I get home.

Edit:The same applies to negative "achievements" outside of the ring: Should Mike Tyson be kicked out of toplists because he is a rapist? Should Clay/Ali be kicked out because he is a racist ("Cu Clux Clay")? Maybe you want to exclude Sonny Liston (gas station robbery) but want to leave Joe Louis (since it's "just" tax evasion)? Maybe you should exclude wife-beater Muhammad Ali? But maybe you want to leave Joe Frazier because his wife-beating arrest was "only" after his career?

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