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    Ali is said to have not to have a fan in joe louis and floyd paterson because of his religious ties, racial views and refusal to go into Vietnam. Floyd and Muhamad ended up gaining respect for each other as they aged but Joe and Ali did not see eye to eye. Please feel free to comment.

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    Originally posted by rightsideup View Post
    Ali is said to have not to have a fan in joe louis and floyd paterson because of his religious ties, racial views and refusal to go into Vietnam. Floyd and Muhamad ended up gaining respect for each other as they aged but Joe and Ali did not see eye to eye. Please feel free to comment.
    No man alive conducted himself to his own satisfaction in his youth. This will never change.

    Ali was downright verbally abusive to poor old *******-addicted Louis. He never gave Louis any respect, made fun of his plodding style in front of reporters and even in front of Louis himself, etc.

    Young Ali felt the need to defend himself against those who claimed Louis would have smashed him, of whom there were still many around at that time, just as there are still plenty around today who believe Ali would have smashed anyone who came later.

    Ali, if he still has the brains to do it with, probably cringes when he thinks of the way he denigrated Joe.

    Robinson, who was an unofficial part of Ali's camp for Liston, and was quite fond of Ali, is on record saying Joe would have caught up with Ali along the ropes and ended his evening brutally.

    To the straight-laced Louis and Patterson, young Ali was not a good American, along with being a personal brat who insulted them ceaselessly.

    By the time of Louis's funeral, an older, wiser Ali probably carried some deep regrets concerning poor old Joe.

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    • #3
      Louis also had a high opinion of Robinsons status as an atg as did ali

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      • #4
        Originally posted by rightsideup View Post
        Louis also had a high opinion of Robinsons status as an atg as did ali
        Louis was an early idol of Walker Smith, who would sometimes carry Joe's gym bag.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by rightsideup View Post
          Ali is said to have not to have a fan in joe louis and floyd paterson because of his religious ties, racial views and refusal to go into Vietnam. Floyd and Muhamad ended up gaining respect for each other as they aged but Joe and Ali did not see eye to eye. Please feel free to comment.
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iLgwkzyeDs

          yeah....despised each other, just watch as they seeth. I don't know why people think this. Anyhow a picture, or in this case a series of linked pictures with a continous narrative is worth a thousand words aint it? Ali was not a hater. He was a trouble maker at times and he was a kidder at times. There is a difference.

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          • #6
            Ali's inner soul is about love and respect especially when he see's former greats in tough positions and circumstances. His earlier "promotion persona" does get in the way but it's his way of keeping his defenses up and not to show what be perceived as weaknesses.
            He hated how he treated Frazier in their promo but he did it and he knew then it was wrong but he thought it was the best way to sell himself as the
            heel to white people and to be as black as possible to black people (which in perspective he wasn't) you couldn't be any blacker than Joe Frazer!!

            I think all the greats felt they could come out on top when facing others, how else could they possibly think.

            Ali vs Louis would be one hell of a fight once Ali stopped dancing and it needed to be in a 20 sq ft not a 24'!

            Ray.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by SouthPawHitman
              Ali is a piece of ****. This is well known.
              Clearly not the case

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              • #8
                Originally posted by rightsideup View Post
                Clearly not the case
                Yeah...I mean he sorta is. Possible woman beater,Draft dodger,racist.

                I'm not saying anything bad about him. I'm a fan of a lot of fighters who did questionable things outside the ring.
                Last edited by SouthPawHitman; 06-14-2015, 04:48 PM.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by SouthPawHitman View Post
                  Yeah...I mean he sorta is. Woman beater,Draft dodger,racist.

                  I'm not saying anything bad about him. I'm a fan of a lot of fighters who did questionable things outside the ring.
                  yeah your absolutely right, point made understood, now go home troll how about it? Since Ali was such a piece of garbage certainly someone as astute as you wouldn't want to waste anymore of your precious time on him right?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by billeau2 View Post
                    yeah your absolutely right, point made understood, now go home troll how about it? Since Ali was such a piece of garbage certainly someone as astute as you wouldn't want to waste anymore of your precious time on him right?
                    *You're.....

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