Sonnyboy's Lennox Lewis appreciation thread.

[joeandthebums]

1/. it is significant because i was there and you were not...like being in a plane crash and surviving to tell the tale. But no one wants to hear because you told them all about the crash first, yet you was not even on the plane.

In your example the survivors would only be able to inject emotion and humanise the event - but they would not be able to provide any technical information on how and why the plane crashed, which for me is where the interest in the event would be.

I imagine that was not the point you were not intending on making, but perhaps where we differ.

2/. research after the event is weak if it is printed 20yrs later unlike being printed 20 minutes later.

If you mean research than I would argue that the piece released twenty years later not twenty minutes later has more advantages if nothing else than time spent accumulating and compiling the report.

You only recently sighted Hagler-Hearns and the broken right-hand. There was no report in the following day newspapers of the injury.

3/. yes in my opinion it is not impossible, but very unlikely. That is assuming we are talking about 2 similar people who have a fasinating interest in the same subject.. eg: i am a plaster by trade and my 35yr old son also a plaster by trade and has his own business. yet he pales in comparison to myself at the game, due to his young age. yet he has been working in the trade for 20yrs.

In your opinion your son is not as skilled as you. The sole factor behind that is not age.

Now you can look up reports from the 1990s but the difference is you was not around to witness the goings on.. not around to read newspapers, magazines, see tv interviews with various boxers and managers etc.. those things all add up to the "Total Picture" a person builds up on the matter.

My posting of those clips was to illustrate that all the information you believe is lost is not and that those who weren't "around" have the capabilities to become as informed if not more informed than those who were.

You yourself have claimed many times that i have "An Agenda" which in my opinion is wrong.

Despite "being around at that time" you are incorrect as I have only once commented on you regarding an agenda. Fortunately with modern technology we are able to look through my entire post history to see who is correct.

I was incorrect, you do not seem to have an agenda. I mistook your experience approach for an agenda.

Discussion with Elroy, despite the twists, are more factual than those with yourself.

Yet i feel you have an agenda and your agenda is "Nut Hug ging".. you can deny it, but that wont change my opinion of you.

"Nut Hug ging"?

[billeau2]

The mods were thinking on this one! definitely goes to the Sony thread. Great move mods!

[billeau2]

your wrong again.. i respect both Hagler & Lewis. Your problem is you dont and cannot accept how i express my opinion of both of them in the exact way i express my opinion of every fighter. Unlike yourself and others who hold Hagler & Lewis in such high regard in historical terms, that it borders on foolishness. Whereas i tell it how i seen it unfold, no other way, only how i seen it unfold. But there is a huge difference between me, you, knockedoutned & joeyzags and that difference is, none of you was around during Hagler & Lewis prime career years. whereas i was in my mid-20s when Hagler defeated Alan Minter. mid-30s when Lewis defeated Ruddock. i can hold my head up and make claim that both Hagler & Lewis at the time of both those fights were my favorite boxers on earth. However, as their careers continued and unfolded, i was there following every move they made in the sport. Whereas you guys were most likely not even born, or at best just little boys playing toys. Do not for one single second, think that the internet and youtube can fill the gap which you missed or the advantage i hold over you in terms of "being around at that time".. because it is impossible for anyone so much younger and naive to be able to gather the knowledge which i posses on fighters of the 70s, 80s & 90s fom a video channel and a couple of boxing forums.. Newspapers of the day are were the news is relayed...I have a couple of close friends who are 10 & 12yrs older than myself and i cannot compete with them, when talking boxing and talking Liston, Patterson, Charles, Marciano, Moore etc.. i know what i know about those fighters, but it is minimal compared to those who followed the sport and lived through those fighters prime years...But again you are far too ****** to understand what i am trying to tell you... I watched and wondered at the decisions and choices made by both Hagler & Lewis. I well understand that it is a business and livelyhood which fighters are working at in their careers. But as a hardcore fan, i can and did see them taking "The Easy Route" avoidng the tough fights and challenges. They went down in my estimation because of their decisions. Today on boxing forums, i point out those fighters decision choices taken back in the 80s & 90s.. i am called a liar and lots of other harsh names. Yet all i am doing is telling it how i seen it unfold at the time.... i can remmember Rid**** Bowe offering Lennox Lewis $10 million to fight him in 95 when neither held a world title. That is huge money, it is huge money even today. Tyson Fury will not come away with half that much from his upcomming fight with Wlad Klitschko over 20yrs on... Yet Lewis turned it down saying, "i want to concentrate on regaining my WBC belt"... as Lewis biggest fan, i so wanted him to go and beat up Rid**** Bowe and punch Bowe's manager Rock Newman. But in my head i knew Lewis was afraid....Much of this unfolded on the BBC, live` on TV with the newspapers of the day full of it, yet try to find it on the net and it is difficult work to prove my point...Both Hagler & Lewis are no different to me than any other fighter, i express how i seen it. I could write about Barry McGuigan, Terry Marsh, Kirkland Laing, Don Curry and many other fighters who very very rarely get a mention on this forum, if i told it how i seen it happen at the time of those fighters careers, you would claim "I Hate them" ...

Jesus Sonny paragraphs are your friend!! Are you trying to kill me? hitting me over the head with that block of text!

Why do you own yourself? I am your age Sonny you idiot!

[sonnyboyx2]

Jesus Sonny paragraphs are your friend!! Are you trying to kill me? hitting me over the head with that block of text!

Why do you own yourself? I am your age Sonny you idiot!

wrong again "**** sucka".. you are not my age. you have already told me you are in your mid 20s or is it you are a pathological liar?

Your trouble Bill is, you know very little about boxing and the history of boxing. You cannot debate anything on the sport and put forward a point of view. Your only response is vierbal diarrhea, your a clown who is envious of those who can "talk boxing".. you would like nothing more, than to be able to debate different fighters and talk about past fights. But you cannot, you cannot because you don't know nothing about the sport. I have tried to debate with you on dozens of different threads, all you ever reply with is your usual "schoolboy name calling of me"...Which shows me just how imature you are and how foolish you are.. I wonder to myself, "Why does he frequent this forum"? Why do you frequent this forum several times per day to post nothing whatsoever to do with boxing history, but to post your schoolboy drivel of name calling and ridicule?... you must be a very ugly out-of-shape guy. who has no wife or girlfriend. Or is it that you are looking for a boyfriend here on this site?... Your a clown Bill, a little clown or better still an ugly little clown... i would bet that you are around 5'4'' tall and 185lbs. your unemployed and live in your mothers spare-room, you wear clothing that dates from the 1990s with an hairstyle that dates from the 1970s. You won't have ever had a girlfriend in your natural but lots of 10 minute meet-ups with old guys down at your local public "Turd Aquarium".. i bet you bathe once a year wether you need to or not...You won't have a friend in the world other than your old mother, who you will have robbed her so many times of her last $$ she will regret daily that she never aborted you when she had the chance...

[billeau2]

wrong again "**** sucka".. you are not my age. you have already told me you are in your mid 20s or is it you are a pathological liar?

Your trouble Bill is, you know very little about boxing and the history of boxing. You cannot debate anything on the sport and put forward a point of view. Your only response is vierbal diarrhea, your a clown who is envious of those who can "talk boxing".. you would like nothing more, than to be able to debate different fighters and talk about past fights. But you cannot, you cannot because you don't know nothing about the sport. I have tried to debate with you on dozens of different threads, all you ever reply with is your usual "schoolboy name calling of me"...Which shows me just how imature you are and how foolish you are.. I wonder to myself, "Why does he frequent this forum"? Why do you frequent this forum several times per day to post nothing whatsoever to do with boxing history, but to post your schoolboy drivel of name calling and ridicule?... you must be a very ugly out-of-shape guy. who has no wife or girlfriend. Or is it that you are looking for a boyfriend here on this site?... Your a clown Bill, a little clown or better still an ugly little clown... i would bet that you are around 5'4'' tall and 185lbs. your unemployed and live in your mothers spare-room, you wear clothing that dates from the 1990s with an hairstyle that dates from the 1970s. You won't have ever had a girlfriend in your natural but lots of 10 minute meet-ups with old guys down at your local public "Turd Aquarium".. i bet you bathe once a year wether you need to or not...You won't have a friend in the world other than your old mother, who you will have robbed her so many times of her last $$ she will regret daily that she never aborted you when she had the chance...

I never said I was in my 20s you idiot. I have said many times I am just over 50. If you thought I said this while I don't know how you could assume such a thing, it would be fine...except you have a pattern of not reading things properly and then responding with information that is out of context. And then you go on the offensive! When you should be standing to be corrected.

Just slow down and read things carefully...you will never find a post here where I said I am in my 20's sonny.

You are just an idiot. Its unfortunate because you contribute things on occasion but your dumazzery is ridiculous. Let me guess I told you I was in my 20's right? jackazz! find that post Sonny by all means!

Your a tool mate! and I don't mean a hacksaw And please don't attack with a wall of text again!

You guessing at my appearance and otherwise is hillarious, you certainly haven't guessed right so far...tool! So stop guessing and start reading slowly and carefully and you may learn something...Mate!

PS I am a 6 foot 250 pound, good shape, guy with a 120 poud wife and two kids...i own property in san francisco, etc. See how off you are?

Your debate tactic is to show what an arse you are and then be defensive. You are so ugly that when you were born your ma siad "aw what a treasure" and the doc said "yeah lets bury it."

[billeau2]

In your example the survivors would only be able to inject emotion and humanise the event - but they would not be able to provide any technical information on how and why the plane crashed, which for me is where the interest in the event would be.

I imagine that was not the point you were not intending on making, but perhaps where we differ.



If you mean research than I would argue that the piece released twenty years later not twenty minutes later has more advantages if nothing else than time spent accumulating and compiling the report.

You only recently sighted Hagler-Hearns and the broken right-hand. There was no report in the following day newspapers of the injury.



In your opinion your son is not as skilled as you. The sole factor behind that is not age.



My posting of those clips was to illustrate that all the information you believe is lost is not and that those who weren't "around" have the capabilities to become as informed if not more informed than those who were.



Despite "being around at that time" you are incorrect as I have only once commented on you regarding an agenda. Fortunately with modern technology we are able to look through my entire post history to see who is correct.

I was incorrect, you do not seem to have an agenda. I mistook your experience approach for an agenda.

Discussion with Elroy, despite the twists, are more factual than those with yourself.



"Nut Hug ging"?

Nut hug ging is an ancient Chinese debate technique used by Sonny where by the debator puts his head in the sand, his arse up in the air and ignores all that is said by the opponent, and then presents a rebuttal that has nothing to do with the actual response by the opponent. It is said that Nut Hug ging influenced the development of the straw man technique so popularly employed by today's internet geniuses....Nut hug ging adepts were also masters of deploying ad hominum attacks derived from when they looked in the mirror and saw their own misrable reflections... (from Wiki)

Sonny is a master of this art...he will have to resort to blocking shortly as his lame feet are put to the fire.

[TBear]

sonnyboyx2 and billeau2

So you disagree! Please limit the insults in the history section. Take it to the thunderdome where insults are welcome.

Thank you

[billeau2]

sonnyboyx2 and billeau2

So you disagree! Please limit the insults in the history section. Take it to the thunderdome where insults are welcome.

Thank you

Sorry Tbear. When I got hit with that block of text I just saw red...paragraphs are our friend! they really are! Victor Hugo wrote the longest sentence in history I believe...but paragraphs should be mandatory... I should have been flattered, I can't remember the last time someone thought I was 20. Although a cute check out girl did ID me.

Are you going to stream the Mayweather fiasco? I know you have enough sense not to buy it! lol. Anyhow sorry dude

[joeandthebums]

Would still like you to address my earlier questions.

What specific tests were Canadian boxers required to take circa 1989+? Were these part of their yearly check-up, pre/post-fight or took form of a 365 day Olympic style testing?

Do the UK not test their own licensed boxers in any form?

[Joeyzagz]

I discovered Lennox as a kid back in 2000 from Mike Tyson's "Praise be to Allah" speech. I was curious about the children MTyson planned on eating and I nearly shat my pants when I saw it was a 6'6 boxer with dreads who beat Holyfield twice! Had Tyson gone mad?

Some people, Americans mostly, felt relief when Lennox lost to Rahman in 2001, and thought maybe Tyson had a shot. But when I saw Lennox avenge that defeat within a matter of months by devastating ko I knew Tyson was fahckD!

That's how events actually played out. Tyson vs Lewis was a heated and highly debated topic up until the opening bell. It was fight of the Century. Only retroactively do we see it as a foregone one-sided affair.

In 2002, the last time anyone saw Tyson on his back was 1990! While Lennox was sprawled on the canvas just a year before. Reading Sonny's post you'd never know just How close this match was leading up.