is Lennox Lewis overrated on boxing forums

[LacedUp]

Mike Tyson was stripped off the WBC title for not wanting face his mandatory challenger Lennox Lewis!

Coward!!

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1...d-bruce-seldon

You said Lennox was the only Heavyweight fighter in history to be stripped for not fighting his mandatory Your hero was stripped for not wanting to lennox! Haha. You literally said it without a trace of sarcasm.

Then you get completely schooled on the situation which you weren't around to follow - then don't even reply and keep telling others that Lewis ducked Ruiz even though Ruiz wasn't even in the picture when Lewis was initially granted a mandatory and had signed for a fight before it was even called - against Akinwande of all people. You just ignored that completely because you had no idea and it doesn't follow your agenda.

Yeah they were obviously not very good. Pretty embarrassing actually. But he did have the guts to rematch both.

You're trying hard to ping me as a Lewis fanboy, when nothing could be further from the truth. I just actually know what went on unlike you.

As for anyone who wants to read what really happened with Chris Byrd:

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sport...ibf-belt_x.htm

Sonny. The floor is yours.

[sonnyboyx2]

I've already responded to that question. Why are you calling me Ned?

I'll bump my response for you. Don't be a loser and duck it for the 10th time.

where have you responded?

[joeandthebums]

where have you responded?

Yeah they were obviously not very good. Pretty embarrassing actually. But he did have the guts to rematch both.

Threads that unravel like this could be avoided if there was a structure that replicated the use of a host to chair the debates.

[sonnyboyx2]

Once again Sonny goes missing.

lol.. this is "easier than shelling peas".. LacedUp & Ned.. lol

for the eight time. "What is your opinion on Lewis getting knocked out by Rahman & McCall????

Surely that is not your answer?.. "He had the guts to rematch them" lol

[sonnyboyx2]

LacedUp..... I also know what went on.. Lewis chose to fight a couple of tomato cans instead of the No1 contenders. Now you can try to spin it, try to wriggle out and deny it till your blue in the face. But Lewis was stripped of all 3 titles. He announced his retirement 2 days before he was to be stripped of his last remaining belt... Throughout this thread, both you, bill, ned and a couple of others. Have tried to claim Lewis to be a "World Beater", claim him to have fought the best set of contenders in history. Claimed him to have a fantastic unblemished record. while rubbishing the likes of Wlad Klitschko & Mike Tyson. None of you have come up with a single shred of proof to support your claims.

The bottom line is in your own words, that Lewis best opponents were. "Golota, Grant & Ruddock"...

Lewis was never stripped of any belts, it was Don Kings fault

Lewis mandatory No1 challengers were `unworthy` lol

Lewis never ducked anyone, they ducked him.. lol

i wasn't following boxing in 2000 you claim .. maybe still at school like you lol

You claim John Ruiz was not ranked in any credible ratings in the year 2000 lol other than the WBA who are the oldest governing body in boxing history.. lol

You claim, the 2002 version of Mike Tyson who was addicted to prescription anti-depressants, alcohol, ******* & cannabis. Was a better fighter at that time than both Ruiz & Byrd.. lol

Well LaceDUp, you have came out with some `Howlers` on this thread.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

lol.. this is "easier than shelling peas".. LacedUp & Ned.. lol

for the eight time. "What is your opinion on Lewis getting knocked out by Rahman & McCall????

Surely that is not your answer?.. "He had the guts to rematch them" lol

Looking back on lennox's career, he seemed to get careless in training camp and with his in ring focus... After beating the likes of Bruno n ruddock, lennox probably figured McCall was a step back, didn't take him too seriously, and probably just viewed him as Tyson's sparring partner and would be an easy stay busy fight until fights with bowe, tyson holyfield could be arranged..
Little did lennox realize, and probably most boxing fans at time, was that mccal probably has the GOAT chin, above average heavyweight power, had size to match up with big lennox, and also had been coached how to exploit lennox's bad habit of dropping hands after he punched.. McCall had a perfect strategy to land his power shot that finished lennox.. Kinda reminiscent of how max did to Joe Louis decades earlier in their first fight..
Lennox got caught not respecting his opponent and paid the price..
You can give lennox credit for seeking the rematch, but can't give him a whole of credit for avenging the loss since McCall basically had a crackhead mental breakdown in one of the strangest endings to a fight I have ever seen.

As for Rahman, it's kinda the same thing.. Lennox took dude lightly, thought it would be an easy ko victory over the athletic but raw hasim Rahman... Rahman came to fight. And lewis just showed up and thought this would be easy work like the Golata, tua, grant fights... Rahman caught him and the rest is history..
Lewis being more focused and motivated for rematch, quickly and easily dispatched Rahman with one of the most brutal knockouts of recent memory..

Lennox almost made the same mistake when preparing for Kirk johnson.. With Kirk backing out a week or so before fight and vitali stepping in, lennox was primed for another debacle.. I don't think he trained hard for Kirk, and camp had pretty much been over by the time vitali stepped in, so there was no time for lennox to get into "big fight" shape. Though I do think he was very focused for the fight as he had to have respected vitali as a threat more so than Kirk.. That focus was the one thing lacking in the McCall and Rahman losses, and helped lennox survive the war with vitali, even though lennox wasn't in the best of shape, the threat of vitali made lennox focused in the ring.. Had he been carefree like he was vs McCall, Rahman, vitali would have wrecked him...

Just my 2 cents on lennox and his losses

[sonnyboyx2]

Looking back on lennox's career, he seemed to get careless in training camp and with his in ring focus... After beating the likes of Bruno n ruddock, lennox probably figured McCall was a step back, didn't take him too seriously, and probably just viewed him as Tyson's sparring partner and would be an easy stay busy fight until fights with bowe, tyson holyfield could be arranged..
Little did lennox realize, and probably most boxing fans at time, was that mccal probably has the GOAT chin, above average heavyweight power, had size to match up with big lennox, and also had been coached how to exploit lennox's bad habit of dropping hands after he punched.. McCall had a perfect strategy to land his power shot that finished lennox.. Kinda reminiscent of how max did to Joe Louis decades earlier in their first fight..
Lennox got caught not respecting his opponent and paid the price..
You can give lennox credit for seeking the rematch, but can't give him a whole of credit for avenging the loss since McCall basically had a crackhead mental breakdown in one of the strangest endings to a fight I have ever seen.

As for Rahman, it's kinda the same thing.. Lennox took dude lightly, thought it would be an easy ko victory over the athletic but raw hasim Rahman... Rahman came to fight. And lewis just showed up and thought this would be easy work like the Golata, tua, grant fights... Rahman caught him and the rest is history..
Lewis being more focused and motivated for rematch, quickly and easily dispatched Rahman with one of the most brutal knockouts of recent memory..

Lennox almost made the same mistake when preparing for Kirk johnson.. With Kirk backing out a week or so before fight and vitali stepping in, lennox was primed for another debacle.. I don't think he trained hard for Kirk, and camp had pretty much been over by the time vitali stepped in, so there was no time for lennox to get into "big fight" shape. Though I do think he was very focused for the fight as he had to have respected vitali as a threat more so than Kirk.. That focus was the one thing lacking in the McCall and Rahman losses, and helped lennox survive the war with vitali, even though lennox wasn't in the best of shape, the threat of vitali made lennox focused in the ring.. Had he been carefree like he was vs McCall, Rahman, vitali would have wrecked him...

Just my 2 cents on lennox and his losses

****ing howler..

didn't take him too seriously... etc etc etc

[Sugar Adam Ali]

****ing howler..

didn't take him too seriously... etc etc etc

Anytime lennox was in a big fight, he was always in tremendous shape and focused.. The same can't be said about his lesser fights.. The dude tricked off, got beat, it's not really a big deal.. Happened to alot of fighters, including Wlad.. Fighters have setbacks in their career, very very very few guys, even ATGs go the majority of their careers with no setbacks..

[billeau2]

Lewis was 38 years old.

George Foreman was an anomaly. Most heavyweights historically are done by the time they hit 34 or 35, some sooner. Ali was 38 when he fought Holmes. Holmes was 38 when he fought Tyson. Louis was 37 when he fought Marciano.

Retiring at 38 after a year of contemplation following his defeat of Vitali was a sound decision, IMO, given the fact that he was old.

Smells like sour g****s to me.

You have to excuse Welty.... his egyptology professor kicked him out of class for not recognizing da-nile (denial). Welty actually believes Vitali hit and cut himself in that fight....after it ended he went into mom's basement with his Vitali poster and a gallon jar of vaseline and we only occasionally hear from him these days though its rumered hes looking for a blow up Vlad doll....only to watch the fights with though!

[billeau2]

People don't understand that Vitali meant zero to Lewis. He wasn't in his era. He was just the new kid on the block. He wasn't part of the shenanigans in the 90s.

It meant nothing to Lewis to beat Vitali again.

Seriously though: Lewis was guilty of underestimating Vitali. Lewis did something which was very uncharacteristic of him...he took that fight on a whim....Now sure Kirk Johnson pulled out, but Johnson, whom I am sure Sonny will claim would have beat lennox from pillar to post with his puffes i mean punches, was a real "gimme" for Lewis. Lewis had not trained seriosly because He, like every Vegas bookie, and everyone else knew the chances of Johnson beating Lewis were on the order of winning the lottery...twice...

lewis really must have thought very little of Vitalie to take this fight and I would love to know what he was thinking.