Greatest Super-Middle of All Times

[Scott9945]

is lucian bute a good fighter?

Not anymore. But he was until he fought Carl Froch.

[joseph5620]

explain?

Look, there is no sane boxing fan who can say Ward has a better resume or comes close. I'm a fight fan not a fighter fan. If you want to carry this discussion on objectively, I'm willing to. If not, then you can **** right off.

You need to explain how Abraham was any worse for Ward than he was for Froch.



No intelligent boxing fan would say it's "insane" to rate Ward over Froch.



And neither your typical childish outburst or phony " I'm a boxing fan" speech impresses or convinces me. Save it for somebody who believes your act.

[New England]

Not anymore. But he was until he fought Carl Froch.

so you don't think bute was overrated prior to froch? noted, i guess.

[New England]

you have to go to friggin lengths to make a case for froch being a better SMW than andre ward. it gets extremely silly the more you talk about it.


it's easy to say that ward is the greater SMW, and there's a reason for that.


anybody who thinks froch was the best sMW of this era is doing it wrong. i can't see how anybody with a clue would dispute that.

ask carl froch if he's a better fighter than andre ward.


froch fought everybody and didn't always win. you guys seem to forget that he lost his two biggest fights, and had no business even being in the ring with ward. you forget that froch had zero interest in a rematch.

[Scott9945]

so you don't think bute was overrated prior to froch? noted, i guess.

Well it certainly turned out that he was overrated. But it was Froch who stepped up to expose him. And to me that counts for something. Bute wasn't considered damaged goods until after he fought Froch.

[young_robbed]

Well it certainly turned out that he was overrated. But it was Froch who stepped up to expose him. And to me that counts for something. Bute wasn't considered damaged goods until after he fought Froch.

Bute's resume is really paper thin... It's a good win for Froch but certainly not a GREAT win, nothing that would make him the GOAT SMW..and to say Froch was the one who exposed him is incorrect also. Are we just going to forget the first Andrade fight didn't happen?

[New England]

Bute's resume is really paper thin... It's a good win for Froch but certainly not a GREAT win, nothing that would make him the GOAT SMW..and to say Froch was the one who exposed him is incorrect also. Are we just going to forget the first Andrade fight didn't happen?

we can't let stuff like that inconvenience the anti-ward rhetoric, bro.

[joseph5620]

If you're talking head to head I think Froch would lose to a number of fighters at that weight. Including Calzaghe, Jones Jr, Ward who Froch openly admitted he couldn't beat lol but some people still want to make a case for him.


Those factors have to be considered and you can't be called "the best" when your resume is not far superior to the fighter that clearly beat you.


Losses count. And losing to both Ward and Kessler means something.

[New England]

If you're talking head to head I think Froch would lose to a number of fighters at that weight. Including Calzaghe, Jones Jr, Ward who Froch openly admitted he couldn't beat lol but some people still want to make a case for him.


Those factors have to be considered and you can't be called "the best" when your resume is not far superior to the fighter that clearly beat you.


Losses count. And losing to both Ward and Kessler means something.

exactly. i think "resume" is a convenient excuse because of ward's inactivity. ward has the better resume. froch lost his two biggest fights, and ward dominated better fighters than froch ever beat. if froch's resume is so great, ward should be held in high regard for making him look like an amateur.


i don't see anybody talking about how great the resume of george groves, lucian bute, andre dirrell are, for example.

[IronDanHamza]

exactly. i think "resume" is a convenient excuse because of ward's inactivity. ward has the better resume. froch lost his two biggest fights, and ward dominated better fighters than froch ever beat. if froch's resume is so great, ward should be held in high regard for making him look like an amateur.


i don't see anybody talking about how great the resume of george groves, lucian bute, andre dirrell are, for example.

Not really an excuse though is it?

Their resumes are comparable that's at the absolute very least.

Is that because Ward has done nothing in the also 3 years? Yes. No two ways about it that is why. It gave Froch 3 years to do work while Ward stayed still.

But as of right now that's simply the case.

I really don't see the point in continuing this debate because the chances of Ward putting it to bed now he's out of his contract are very high as long as he doesn't move up which he says he doesn't.