AMAZING! James Corbett and Gene Tunney demonstrating tactics.

[GrandpaBernard]

this is you toning down the rambling?


i think i get it. you took it personal when i called bruce lee an actor.

here's the great bruce lee in all his glory on the heavybag. you can't fake heavy bag. you either know how to punch, move, balance yourself, or you do not. bruce lee does not.



bruce the technician.

lol kills me every time when someone mentions bruce lee being a badazz in boxing had he gone that route

[Ray Corso]

I like his bag routine, he isn't pretending to be a boxer. He is loose, his shots land in the same spot each time and he catches the bag high as he should.
Its a lightweight canvas bag but he's a lightweight built guy.
I think in a fight were leg and hand strikes are allowed this guy would kick & punch the crap out of most guys his age and size. He's trim and fit and obviously confident.
ray

[ShoulderRoll]

Don't you think that's the definition of evolution? I agree with Toney, but take the shoulder roll for example, it's changed a lot. It's evolved and the way Mayweather uses it, it's not the way it was classically shown.

If evolution was really occurring there would be a bunch of guys today fighting like Toney and improving on his style. But I don't see that happening.

I think Mayweather's method of fighting is definitely a throwback to days gone by. He was taught by his dad who picked it up from the old Michigan trainers. So essentially Floyd has dominated the modern era thanks to his mastery of old school technique.

Sort of like how Roberto Duran dominated at lightweight thanks to what Ray Arcel and Freddie Brown taught him.

[billeau2]

this is you toning down the rambling?


i think i get it. you took it personal when i called bruce lee an actor.

here's the great bruce lee in all his glory on the heavybag. you can't fake heavy bag. you either know how to punch, move, balance yourself, or you do not. bruce lee does not.



bruce the technician.

I took it personally? No I just explained very clearly the problems with your logic, it is now up to you to see and correct grasshopper, go to it, life is short. I guess you are thinking: "gee there is one purpose, one way to use a heavybag and I know what it is." Well guess what genius, there are many ways to use a heavybag and guess what again? ( I will talk real slow like for you ok?) when developing explosive punching some martial artists hit the bag continually with no pause because....it teaches you to still explode with techniqhe after your muscles are exhausted, you build up and when you can do that for about five minutes you have pretty good explosive, resistance.

Shucks to some people it looks ****** when boxers box a bag, pretending like it is an opponent...or as Bruce said "Bags...or was that Boards? don't hit back."

YOur limited understanding of training as it pertains to other martial disciplines is really showing grasshopper, Bruce was actually rallying against that very type of ignorance, no wonder you have such a big chip on your small brained shoulder. I can't make it much more simple than that grasshopper, but for future reference that is called clarity not rambling, go look it up ok?

[billeau2]

Guys used to throw the jab as a lead straight with a fall step and it was a power punch. Nobody uses fall steps today it fell out of favor and isn't taught but that doesn't mean it lost it's effectiveness. I think a large contributing factor is the modern jab is alot more fool proof than the coordination, technique and timing required to land a powerful jab with a fall step or Jolt as Dempsey called it to differentiate between the two.

Many modern fighters especially boxers and counter punchers use the more "evolved" modern jab while backhanding their opponent without even closing their fist. I can land a more powerful blow by slapping my girl in her face with my ****. "Wow look how quickly he just threw 4 jabs" without a single one landing and none of them capable of breaking a g****.

Dempsey wrote extensively about that technique in his book. Great observation. The lead hand did indeed need more of a weight transfer especially as the gloves got bigger and (vis a vis Dempsey) the punches got softer!

[billeau2]

I like his bag routine, he isn't pretending to be a boxer. He is loose, his shots land in the same spot each time and he catches the bag high as he should.
Its a lightweight canvas bag but he's a lightweight built guy.
I think in a fight were leg and hand strikes are allowed this guy would kick & punch the crap out of most guys his age and size. He's trim and fit and obviously confident.
ray

Its good to hear you validate that Ray. Lee did something that a lot of us did when training. To build up explosive power when striking we hit the bag continually with no rest...the thing is we are not allowed to "go softer" as we tire. The result is that when you attack your targets you explode into them instead of just hitting them. Also, you persue the targets indefinitely without fatiging if you can't catch them immediately.

[Spartacus Sully]

IMO the main difference between back then and now is that the average boxer is better equipped to learn technique, the backs of giants for which to improve their views are many, Videos of every boxer available right at your fingertips through you tube.

Id imagine now a days the average boxing enthusiast knows more about technique than a lot of boxing coaches in 1910.

conditioning? VO2 Max, Lactate Threshold, Resting heart Rate. Turns out 2-3 min intervals aiming for vo2 max at the end of each interval is hands down best for working all of them at the same time. 2-3 min intervals working your ass off, sounds like sparing, doing rounds on thee bag, shadow boxing, hitting pads, jumping rope, 600-800 meter sprints.

I don't see the boxers of the past lacking in conditioning.


and its not like the boxers of the past couldn't reach the same pinnacle of technical know how that boxers of today achieve, rather that today it is much easier for the average boxer to reach that point while 75+ years ago far and few between we able to acquire such technique.


IMO the greats of the past would be able to hang with the greats of today as equals. while the Ok's of the past would be decimated by the Ok's of today.

[wladavit]

There are some old fighters that would dominate and there are some that wouldn't. Why can't it be "Old fighters are great and modern fighters are great"

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

Funny how the "heart" hasn't grown with all this size differences. Maybe that's why non of these modern fighters fight hard through their 12 round bouts. Afraid of tiring? With all the "modern" training techniques these days how come no one is TIRED at the end of a fight?

Size of the fight IN the dog is what counts not just the size of the dog.

You better have your big man small man techniques in order!

Marciano 5'11" 191lbs I know, I met the man shook his hand and I personally know 3 men who fought him. To all of you he is on old film at horrible shutter speed and a picture in the boxing history book.

You learn about someone when you meet them in person. Especially in boxing!

Ray

Nobody is saying Marciano wasn't a great fighter....

It's almost impossible to have an honest, open discussion about boxing in this place without extremist ideas being pushed on you or your opinion being misrepresented.

this is you toning down the rambling?


i think i get it. you took it personal when i called bruce lee an actor.

here's the great bruce lee in all his glory on the heavybag. you can't fake heavy bag. you either know how to punch, move, balance yourself, or you do not. bruce lee does not.



bruce the technician.

I will say this, his leverage is great and those shots are very heavy. From the waist up he does a great job, it's his feet that are off but in fairness he wasn't a boxer.

Bruce Lee was an exceptional athlete.

[SplitSecond]

this is you toning down the rambling?


i think i get it. you took it personal when i called bruce lee an actor.

here's the great bruce lee in all his glory on the heavybag. you can't fake heavy bag. you either know how to punch, move, balance yourself, or you do not. bruce lee does not.



bruce the technician.

are you dopey enough to have actually been expecting him bobbing and weaving like tyson and throwing "boxing" type punches?