Muhammad Ali was not a great fighter

[butterfly1964]

Could've been him, but I don't remeber for sure...All I remember was that whoever the guy was, he complained about my questions being too difficult even though both you and Kid Achilles (I think) got a couple of them right each.

But yeah, you kicked his butt on that occasion.

it was.

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=52686&page=12&pp=10

[Easy-E]

that question was clearly about dundee

[Easy-E]

and u only asked 2 questions
it was quite humerous to look back at the time when me and butterfly pretty much hated each other...i dont think ive had beef with anyone on this site since

[SuzieQ49]

ali defintley weighed 201lb and 203lb vs cooper and mildenberger in 1966


- ur a big fan of ali butterfly, you should know this. are u denying these facts?

[Easy-E]

ali defintley weighed 201lb and 203lb vs cooper and mildenberger in 1966


- ur a big fan of ali butterfly, you should know this. are u denying these facts?

fly is right thought, those numbers dont make sense, why did ali lose 13 pounds for the Cooper fight?

[Yogi]

that question was clearly about dundee

Nah, that was a question directly related to Ali & Dundee's very first meeting.

And yeah, apparently I did only ask two questions, but still...Butterfly got more right than you did, as did Kid Achilles.

[SuzieQ49]

because a prime ali is not as big as many portray him to be.



ali in the rematch vs liston in 1965 weighed just 206lb


ali in 1966 in rematch vs cooper weighed 201lb


ali in 1966 in london fight weighed 209lb


ali in 1966 in karl mildenberger fight weighed 203lb



THESE ARE FACTS. so stop denying them.

[Heckler]

Ali's prime was 66-67, he was not in his prime in 63. Irrespective of his weight, the prime i identified is where he had reached physical maturity. Ali may have been 203 once in 66', the next fight against cleveland williams (the point where most historians noted he had started to peak or was in his 'prime') he was 213 and he remained around that weight for the latter half of 1966 and the whole of 67.

[Southpaw Stinger]

Ali's prime was 66-67, he was not in his prime in 63. Irrespective of his weight, the prime i identified is where he had reached physical maturity. Ali may have been 203 once in 66', the next fight against cleveland williams (the point where most historians noted he had started to peak or was in his 'prime') he was 213 and he remained around that weight for the latter half of 1966 and the whole of 67.

That is correct.

[Easy-E]

Ali's prime was 66-67, he was not in his prime in 63. Irrespective of his weight, the prime i identified is where he had reached physical maturity. Ali may have been 203 once in 66', the next fight against cleveland williams (the point where most historians noted he had started to peak or was in his 'prime') he was 213 and he remained around that weight for the latter half of 1966 and the whole of 67.

the best ali youll probably ever see was the ali from liston 1 to folley. no hw ever could touch him at that point...that being said, Ali the night of the rumble beats any hw in history as well