Who hits harder: Golovkin or Mugabe?

[ShoulderRoll]

So the moment you knew Mugabi was a big puncher was when he failed to knock Hagler out? Not when he stopped his first 25 opponents? I'm sure you were thinking "I just don't know how hard he punches, if only he could punch a solid chin so I could know"

Plenty of guys have a lot knockouts when they are fighting easier opposition. Then when they step up the level of competition their ko ratio suddenly drops and eventually settles at a more accurate number.

In any case, quality of opposition is one category that I personally like to use to separate fighters when ranking them. Boxers who have it are a more proven commodity in my mind than boxers who don't.

Your mileage may vary and you're certainly free to use different criteria.

[Humean]

Ok so I didn't say that. Thank you for clearing that up.

"Implied" is your favourite word You love telling people what they're implying.

Like I said, that's such a uncommon occurrence that didn't even enter my mind.

Obviously if I said that's the only way, then I meant in the ring.

You obviously do not understand logic. There really is no point in me arguing with you on all this if you cannot understand the rules of reasoning.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_consequence

Well that's the same evidence that can be used for Ali Raymi except he's done it 20 times so far. I guess he's up there with Valero and Broner aswell

Are you deliberately not trying to understand or can you just not understand?

No I definitely didn't say that about Valero because I know he's beaten atleast one ranked fighter in Demarco.

My mistake, you must have suggested that outside DeMarco he hadn't knocked out ranked opponent or that most of his title defences were against non-ranked opponents.

Deem to have a great chin? You're slowly but surely becoming the king of changing others views.

I also never said that's the only way of determining a fighter can punch. I said it's the best way.

You would not allow any other way than if a fighter knocked out or hurt someone with a solid chin. You said that that is what convinces you that someone is a great puncher.

Here is a quote from you from that past Valero thread:

Every puncher I consider great has hurt or stopped a top level guy that's also very durable.

I should have learned my lesson last time, you can respond if you like but I won't re-respond or bring this subject up again.

[The Surgeon]

Tough to say JUST how hard GGG hits, if this Chaavez fight comes off we will know for sure! He's clearly a brute and he did wear down the ultra tough Kassim Ouma but Mugabe was more proven as a ****er

Ultimately I think Golovkin will be remembered as the bigger puncher when all is said and done

[Accountoffline]

Rosado, Ishida, Macklin, and Stevens and Adama arent bums btw, I bet anyone that's posted on here would not last more than 3 minutes against any one of those.

[IronDanHamza]

You obviously do not understand logic. There really is no point in me arguing with you on all this if you cannot understand the rules of reasoning.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_consequence

Are you deliberately not trying to understand or can you just not understand?



My mistake, you must have suggested that outside DeMarco he hadn't knocked out ranked opponent or that most of his title defences were against non-ranked opponents.



You would not allow any other way than if a fighter knocked out or hurt someone with a solid chin. You said that that is what convinces you that someone is a great puncher.

Here is a quote from you from that past Valero thread:


I should have learned my lesson last time, you can respond if you like but I won't re-respond or bring this subject up again.

Right so I didn't say what you claimed I said

Thanks again for clearing that up.

Listen, you can go ahead and consider Valero one if the hardest punchers ever and use your nice "evidence" to back it up. Most of us will just sit here and continue to laugh at that idea.

[miamike]

I would say Golovkin, Mugabi is like 60 years old.

[MalkyMayweather]

GGG would win if they fought

[billeau2]

As an engineering PhD student I always get infuriated when I see "scientists"(usually a bunch of donkeys with zero actual physics or mechanics background) measure "punching power".

Measuring force to determine how hard someone punches is a useless stat that is often parroted by fans/media ho have little to know physics background. Force is simply a measure of pressure (when you step on a scale it is measuring force) but anyone who boxes knows that it is important to snap your punches. Simply pushing punches and throwing giant arm punches will register a large "force" measurement but will yield little actual real world punching power. The missing component is the term that you often hear in boxing: Snap.

When you learn to punch you learn to snap your punches to deliver the force of your punch instantaneously and quickly instead of simply pushing or pawing. You must deliver the largest amount of force in the shortest amount of time to successfully deliver a powerful punch. If you have ever boxed and hit a heavy bag for awhile and noticed that your punches will snap and cause a crack on the bag like a whip while new boxers will push the bag causing a thud as opposed to a loud ****.

If you want to read a more detailed explanation try this link:
http://shootafairone.wordpress.com/2...sweet-science/.

Sorry to go off topic I just hate when people misuse basic science(in particular physics) especially when it's on a major media outlet(looking at you ESPN Sports Science).

There are indeed a lot of mismeasures related to punching power....For one thing with any force there is the matter of efficiency. The actual amps that are pushed through a wire (for example) depend on manythings: wire guage, wire material, wire length, power at source, ground, etc.

Punching is a very coordinated effort and requires so many things to line up, a great example was Andy Lee's KO this last weekend. When he hit, his arm was locked into his body at a perfect supported angle, his weight was in the right place (in perfect step with his weight shifting onto the leg), his hand connected at the right time, his opponent's head was unable to move off line to go with the punch...All these considerations trumped the actual amount of effort put into the punch by Lee.

[billeau2]

You obviously do not understand logic. There really is no point in me arguing with you on all this if you cannot understand the rules of reasoning.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_consequence

Are you deliberately not trying to understand or can you just not understand?



My mistake, you must have suggested that outside DeMarco he hadn't knocked out ranked opponent or that most of his title defences were against non-ranked opponents.



You would not allow any other way than if a fighter knocked out or hurt someone with a solid chin. You said that that is what convinces you that someone is a great puncher.

Here is a quote from you from that past Valero thread:


I should have learned my lesson last time, you can respond if you like but I won't re-respond or bring this subject up again.

You seem to think that punching power is a strictly independent variable...Like if we were in ancient Japan instead of taking criminals and lining them up for a sword cut, we could hve them put their chin out and create a veritable ko derby!

heres the problem with that framework: there are too many variables that affect the force of delivery, the actual results of a KO punch. They range from distancing, timing, effort exerted, etc. But this skill necessitates that the ko artist be able to deliver the blow agianst competition that offers a challenge.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Mugabi never really beat anyone that was very good.. He looked good in spots vs hagler,but other than that his career is really devoid of highlights.. Tough to even say who his best win was... His title reign was obscure and beat jacquot who was just a paper champ, and I think it was the wbo which wasn't even a major title yet and wouldn't be for another 15 years or so..
Ggg hasn't faced top guys yet, but his wins are just as good if not better than Mugabi's