Mayweather vs maidana

[soul_survivor]

Floyd would get beaten by the majority of great pressure fighters in history, Duran, Pacquiao (not this version obviously), Armstrong and a few others. JCC too. Mayweather has always struggled against those types of fighters, with b+ level opponents in Castillo and Maidana giving him trouble, real trouble. Not to mention almost shot names in Cotto or smaller guy in Hatton. Heck, even a dying Oscar gave Floyd hell.

Imagine what the true greats would do.

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It's partly history related, as after watching maidana fight, I can't see mayweather having any chance against the likes of Chavez, Duran, Leonard, prime pacquiao. I've always thought constant pressure and beating mayweathers 1 punch work rate while also jump in and out with a decent jab, so he's never able to stand and get himself comfortable and feel dominant is the way to beat him. Most importantly is work rate, as mayweathers his best defence against this is to throw lots of punches and combinations but it's not his style. Of course mayweather is late 30s but visually u can tell he's actually smarter and still as fit. Because of this I put him way below jones in terms of being the best and I think there will be many questions after this fight on how good he really is........or am I being to harsh on an aging great??

It depends. do you judge other ATGs who had speed among their best attributes for fights they had at age 37? if not, you are being a biased id!ot. if yes, well those are your standards. I disagree with them, but I respect them.

[billeau2]

Mayweather won and it was close. I don't score fights but the fight was a psychological victory for Madianna no doubt.

Fights like this do put things in perspective, lets not be naive. What this fight did was to put a perspective on Floyd's recent fights:

De La Hoya, Cotto, Guerrero, Canelo.

De La Hoya and Cotto were close fights also, but there was at the time a sense that Floyd was in control. How good are Guererro and Canelo?

Given this fight we can question how dominant Floyd has been...Its interesting to note that with Roy Jones, for example, there was no question about this up until the Tarver fight...even when DeValle scored a flash knockdown of him.

If we go back further then we can see that Floyd has never fought, nor is there any reason to believe that he would outclass, a fighter capable of pressuring and body punching at an elite level. My own feeling is that if a prime Cotto, or if Madianna was a better body puncher, Floyd would have been tested and probably beaten by now.

[Daddy T]

Mayweather won and it was close. I don't score fights but the fight was a psychological victory for Madianna no doubt.

Fights like this do put things in perspective, lets not be naive. What this fight did was to put a perspective on Floyd's recent fights:

De La Hoya, Cotto, Guerrero, Canelo.

De La Hoya and Cotto were close fights also, but there was at the time a sense that Floyd was in control. How good are Guererro and Canelo?

Given this fight we can question how dominant Floyd has been...Its interesting to note that with Roy Jones, for example, there was no question about this up until the Tarver fight...even when DeValle scored a flash knockdown of him.

If we go back further then we can see that Floyd has never fought, nor is there any reason to believe that he would outclass, a fighter capable of pressuring and body punching at an elite level. My own feeling is that if a prime Cotto, or if Madianna was a better body puncher, Floyd would have been tested and probably beaten by now.

Yeah close fight mayweather nicked it, just about, but I wouldn't argue with the draw either.

Floyd has been fortunate/lucky/wise in picking his opponents. I think a prime manny would have also given him hell (imo the manny from de la hoya/cotto) beats him. Hell even maidana with the proper gloves would probably have gotten the nod imo (he'd have hurt floyd pretty good and slowed him down/wobbled him at some point(s))

[Holywarrior]

Well you answered your own question.

Floyd's 37, in his 18th year as a pro, 17th year at the Championship level and well passed his best.

So it's difficult to base anything off of last night performance on how he'd do prime for prime vs other greats.

Seriously, that'd be like saying Chavez couldn't beat Mayweather because he lost to Whitaker/Delahoya.

Chavez/Duran also wouldn't have an 18 lb weight advantage. They are relatively smaller actually.

[DeepSleep]

I find it amazing how quickly people react to a single fight of a 37 year old boxer.

After 36 year old post prime Floyd washed a bigger but unproven Canelo people were making threads to debate whether Floyd was a god or a human being. (I think I saw a Floyd vs SRR thread the day after ...)

One year later 37 year old Floyd beats Maidana in a close but seemingly clean win and we're raising red flags on his career.

For whatever reason people love to over react heavily about Mayweather & Pacqauio's fights. These two guys were at their best years ago, what they are doing now is simply gravy.

I don't judge Roy Jones Jr. career/abilities on his bad showings after the Ruiz fight or Ali's career/abilities due to his fights with Holmes and Berbick not sure why I should do it to post prime guys still in the ring today.

[soul_survivor]

I find it amazing how quickly people react to a single fight of a 37 year old boxer.

TBF, most real boxing fans and not Mayweather fans, have always thought Floyd couldn't hold a candle to the likes of Duran. Fights like these (as well as Castillo, DLH, Cotto and to a certain extent Hatton) prove these true fans right. It's a reinforcement of an argument raging on a for a long time now.

[Suckmedry]

Floyd would get beaten by the majority of great pressure fighters in history, Duran, Pacquiao (not this version obviously), Armstrong and a few others. JCC too. Mayweather has always struggled against those types of fighters, with b+ level opponents in Castillo and Maidana giving him trouble, real trouble. Not to mention almost shot names in Cotto or smaller guy in Hatton. Heck, even a dying Oscar gave Floyd hell.

Imagine what the true greats would do.

Floyd would not be able to keep the great pressure guys off him for the full fight, and would be forced to fight, but i think he does still stand a chance in this style of fight, in his prime days anyway, his inside defence was phenomenal and his short counters were absolute precision. I think duran, Chavez and Armstrong beat him, but in a trilogy Floyd might adjust and win a fight. He is a great inside fighter himself.

[Anthony342]

So you guys think he'll really rematch Maidana? Before this and now with Roach training him, I'm also hearing interest in Cotto rematching him. I doubt he goes through either one. At this point, it looks more like Thurman, Khan and some other contender next September before calling it a career.

[billeau2]

So you guys think he'll really rematch Maidana? Before this and now with Roach training him, I'm also hearing interest in Cotto rematching him. I doubt he goes through either one. At this point, it looks more like Thurman, Khan and some other contender next September before calling it a career.

He will look for someone who will respect him, not really go after him so much! and just take the payday, talk some reall scary smack and go through the motions. Unfortunately great as Floyd is, and he is great, this is what he is looking for these days.


as many knowledgable about the physics of the sport have said, Kahn is a real live dog against Floyd. Kahn may not have the pressure but other factors come to bare! Floyd simply could not KO Kahn. This means that Kahn can play fast and loose with his speed and reach. Floyd's technique has some natural weaknesses with a really offensive jab...It would mean, in tbis case, that Floyd would have a hellofatime countering Kahn.

As much as Madianna suprised me I still think the Kahn we saw this last time gives Floyd even more difficulty.