Is Muhammad Ali the #1 Heavyweight of all time?

[fight_professor]

I think dude means JL was a technically better boxer [which is true]. But as a fighter, Ali is better.

For me, Ali is #1.

Indeed seeing my father watch old fight films of Ali on VHS when I was a kid is how I got into boxing in the first place.

[BKM-2010]

Ali...and good to see 99% agree.

Some dumb "fans" think Louis is somehow better but he isn't in any category what so ever.

The other greats in Foreman, Dempsey, Johnson, Frazier, Lewis, Holmes...well none of them are better either.

Louis does have the consistency in the form of his record title defending streak, but Ali obviously had the tougher opposition. Nobody goes unbeaten through Ali's era.

[Scott9945]

Ali...and good to see 99% agree.

Some dumb "fans" think Louis is somehow better but he isn't in any category what so ever.

The other greats in Foreman, Dempsey, Johnson, Frazier, Lewis, Holmes...well none of them are better either.

I'm dumb enough to think that Louis punched harder.

[Panamaniac]

For me he is GOAT not just in HW but in the sport!

Whom?!------------------------------

[billeau2]

wtf does that even mean????

I was trying to respond to this yesterday, could not format what I wanted to do so, here we go: Here is how I see Ray's point,

Lets take Roy Jones and Floyd Mayweather, two great fighters but two fighters who are diametrically opposed.

Jones is athletic, has incredible speed, does crazy things like leave his hands down, lead in with hooks, leap in, slouch, etc

Mayweather has textbook technique. he never slouches, punches straight as an arrow, never telegraphs, Floyd always has his hand and feet in position to counter, pivot, or move....no leaping ever necessary.

The analogy extends to Louis and Ali. ali was very much like Jones and Mayweather has the technical proficiency of Louis.

Ali is considered the greatest because of factors outside the ring. Does this kind if make sense to you?

[billeau2]

Another interesting point is that while the "Brown Bomber" does not always get credit for his social impact....i.e. as far back as an aged Johnson calling him an uncle tom, etc, Louis united Americans of all ethnic persuasions when he fought. My father, for example is a ***ish Eastern European from a Marxist family that settled in Brooklyn....he has always been a diehard Louis fan.

Ali had more obstacles in some respects but both men fought the good fight in and out of the ring.

[soul_survivor]

I'm dumb enough to think that Louis punched harder.

So do but that doesn't make him better than Ali, heck Tua punched harder than Ali and he wouldn't even be in the frame

[soul_survivor]

I was trying to respond to this yesterday, could not format what I wanted to do so, here we go: Here is how I see Ray's point,

Lets take Roy Jones and Floyd Mayweather, two great fighters but two fighters who are diametrically opposed.

Jones is athletic, has incredible speed, does crazy things like leave his hands down, lead in with hooks, leap in, slouch, etc

Mayweather has textbook technique. he never slouches, punches straight as an arrow, never telegraphs, Floyd always has his hand and feet in position to counter, pivot, or move....no leaping ever necessary.

The analogy extends to Louis and Ali. ali was very much like Jones and Mayweather has the technical proficiency of Louis.

Ali is considered the greatest because of factors outside the ring. Does this kind if make sense to you?

Ray said:

"Ali is the greatest but Louis is the best ever at heavyweight"

LOL it makes no sense, your explaining a point he didn't make, unless he doesn't know how to type.

If Louis is considered the best heavyweight, how can Ali be considered the greatest if he isn't even the number one guy in his own division.

[Weltschmerz]

No.

Wladimir Klitschko is the greatest heavyweight of all time.

[Daddy T]

No.

Wladimir Klitschko is the greatest heavyweight of all time.

God knows why you are still allowed to post in this section.